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2007-12-20T22:17:00.000-08:00

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2007-12-20T22:09:00.000-08:00

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2007-12-14T15:35:00.000-08:00

Season 4 Countdown Clock

JOOP!: The Barbara Walters Interview (The One that Couldn’t Be Aired.)

2007-11-11T07:03:00.000-08:00

Barbara Walters voiceover and opening segment b-roll montage:

At 105 years old, Joop could pass for someone half his age.

His longevity is no doubt a result of his long and close association with billionaire recluse, Alvar Hanso…

and the brilliant science team, the Dr.’s Degroot…

and from Joop’s continuing daily practice of Tai Chi and Eastern meditation.

Celebrated everywhere he travels, and known for his fabulous, jet set life style,

in person Joop is surprisingly modest for all his accomplishments. He is gentle, spiritual, down to earth, and very relaxed. Must be all the yoga.

We joined Joop in his luxuriously appointed thread,

and conversed with him through his sign language interperter and personal assistant, BG.

Interview begins---library---

Barbara Walters:So, Joop, how does it feel to become a celebrity at your age, after being born into such humble circumstances and living in obscurity for more than a century.

Joop:
I’m just grateful to be here, Barbara, very grateful. And I’m blessed with good friends and good health. What more can a man ask, at any age? And I’m sorry about the Tai Chi class already being filled up when you wanted to join. I always look out for my friends, the Joopers, first.

Barbara Walters: You mentioned the Joopers. Who are they? How did they become your friends?

Joop: The Joopers? I can’t really explain them – I doubt if anyone can. They were a group of curious researchers at first, I suppose, who later became fans, and then eventually my friends. My hectic schedule keeps me away much of the time, however, so I don’t get to spend as much time with the Joopers as I would like. But I love them dearly, each and every one, despite the amount of tinfoil they use.

Barbara Walters: You were born and spent your first years in the jungle. Of all the trees in the jungle, what kind of tree would you be?

Joop: Trees? Are we talking about wood? I have to say, Barbara, if you want to discuss wood, you’re a very attractive woman, especially in that off the shoulder dress.

Barbara Walters: (blushing) Why thank you, Joop.

Joop: May I call you Babs?

Barbara Walters: Well, I guess so. Why not! Now tell me, Joop, how long have you known the mysterious billionaire recluse, Alvar Hanso, and is it true that you have your own Swiss Bank Account?

Joop: So where were you born, Babs? Notice I didn’t say when, as anyone can tell you’re not a day over thirty. And your shoulder easily could pass for twenty-five.

BG glares at Joop.

Barbara Walters: You’re too kind, Joop…giggles and blushes…that’s very sweet…fumbles with microphone…that’s really sweet…But can you tell our viewers the secret to your longevity? Everyone wants to know about the mysterious Zanzibar project, and about this rumored Lost Island. What happened when Alvar Hanso---

Joop: Zanzibar? Oh yes! Zanzibar! That’s the nightclub with the zebra striped walls and the torches and the constant pounding drumming. The place where Paris climbed over the bar, peeled off her tiny pink panties, and went wee wee in the bar sink that one night! Babs! What a delightfully surprising woman you are!

Rapid sign languaging back and forth between Joop and BG.

Barbara Walters: What? What’s going on?

Joop: It’s all set, Babs, I’ll call ahead and reserve the VIP room with the heavy duty vines, and a case of their finest champagne. Do you like oysters on the half shell? It’s an R month, but I’m sure you know that, you beautiful wicked wench. Slides closer to Babs. Do you know about the mural in their men’s room? I can sneak you in.

Joop turns to BG: Call the car! I want it here immediately!

BG signs furiously but Joop ignores it.

Barbara Walters: I have a car and driver outside. Fluffs and messes up her hair How’s this Joop? How far is the Zanzibar from here?

BG leaps up. Joop leaps up. More furious sign languaging between Joop and BG.

BG and Joop both sit back down.

Joop: Forgive my impertinence, Ms. Walters. You were asking about longevity and the Hanso Foundation?

Barbara Walters: Hanso? Alvar Hanso? Is he going to be at the Zanzibar!? Is he as rich as everyone claims? Turns head and barks over her shoulder Hair! Makeup! I need a touchup! Now!

Joop: Hanso? Alvar Hanso? Why are you asking about that old stiff? He walks around with his feet in Kleenex boxes to avoid germs. What about me? A moment ago you were practically slurping raw oysters off my---

Barbara Walters: You? oh yeah, you---

Joop leaps up

Joop: Cut! Stop the cameras! This interview is over! I take back everything I said. You’re not beautiful, you look like Larry King in drag!”

Joop storms out.

BG: Joop! Please! Oh dear me…

Barbara Walters brushes off hair and makeup assistants and turns aggressively to BG.

Barbara Walters: So is it true that Joop is close friends with Arnold Schwarzenneger? I hear he’s got a Swiss Bank Account the size of Cape Cod, bigger than Nantucket---

BG: Cut! Cut! Chuck! Help!!! Get her out of here!!!

*All Joop photos courtesy of the very talented Lucky4me8.

22 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

2007-10-31T07:55:00.000-07:00

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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:20 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
When I googled time/buddhism I found this site where His Holiness, the Dalai Lama answers the question what is the concept of time in Buddhism.

Q: What is the concept of time in Buddhism?
A: Excuse me, I misunderstood the Tibetan translation of the question; in our language the words for "demon" and "time" are pronounced almost identically, and I was about to give you a talk about what a demon is from a Buddhist point of view!

Regarding the Buddhist concept of time, our philosophy has. adopted several positions. The Sautrantika school, also known as the "Holders of Discourse," affirms that all phenomena and events exist only in the present moment. For this school, past and future are nothing other than simple concepts, simple mental constructs. As for the Madhyamika-Prasangika school, the Consequence School of the Middle Way, it generally explains time in terms of relativity, as an abstract entity developed by the mind on the basis of an imputation, the continuity of an event or phenomenon. This philosophical view describes, therefore, an abstract concept whose function is dependent on the continuum of phenomena. From this point on, to try to explain time as an autonomous entity, independent from an existing object, proves impossible. That time is a relative phenomenon and can claim no independent status is quite clear; I often give the example of external objects which can be easily conceived of in terms of the past or future, but of which the very present seems inconceivable. We can divide time into centuries, decades, years, days, hours, minutes, and seconds. But as the second is also divisible into multiple parts, milliseconds for example, we can easily lose our grasp of the notion of present time!

As for consciousness, it has neither past nor future and knows only present moments; it is the continuum of a present moment being transformed into another present moment, whereas with external objects the present disappears in favour of notions of past and future. But further pursuit of this logic will lead to absurdity, because to situate past and future we need a frame of reference which, in this case, is the present, and we have just lost its trace in fractions of milliseconds.. . .

http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlquotes3.html#time

TBC
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:26 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
One final thought, taken from a website where the Four Noble Truths are explained:

The Third Noble Truth is that suffering can be overcome and happiness attained. This is perhaps the most important of the Four Noble Truths because in it the Buddha reassures us that true happiness and contentment are possible. When we give up useless craving and learn to live each day at a time, enjoying without restless wanting the experiences that life offers us, patiently enduring the problems that life involves without fear, hatred and anger, then we become happy and free. Then, and only then, do we being to live fully. Because we are no longer obsessed with satisfying our own selfish wants, we find we have so much time to help others fulfil their needs. This state is called Nirvana. We are free from all psychological suffering as well. This is called Final Nirvana

What or where is Nirvana?

It is a dimension transcending time and space and thus is difficult to talk about or even to think about. Words and thoughts being only suited to describe the time-space dimension. But because Nirvana is beyond time, there is no movement and so no aging or dying. Thus Nirvana is eternal. Because it is beyond space, there is no causation, no boundary, no concept of self and not-self and thus Nirvana is infinite. The Buddha also assures us that Nirvana is an experience of profound happiness. He says:
Nirvana is the highest happiness.
Dp 204

But is there any proof that such a dimension exists?

No, there is not. But its existence can be inferred. If there is a dimension where time and space do operate and there is such a dimension - the world we experience, then we can infer that there is a dimension where time and space do not operate - Nirvana. Again, even though we cannot prove Nirvana exists, we have the Buddha's word that it does exist. He tells us:
"There is an. Unborn, a Not-become, a Not-made, a Not-compounded. If there were not, this Unborn, Not become, Not-made, Not-compounded, there could not be made any escape from what is born, become, made, and compounded. But since there is this Unborn, Not become, Not-made, Not-compounded, therefore is there made known an escape from what is born, become, made, and compounded."
Ud. 80
We will know it when we attain it. Until that time, we can still practice
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 07:48 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: What or where is Nirvana?

It is a dimension transcending time and space and thus is difficult to talk about or even to think about. Words and thoughts being only suited to describe the time-space dimension. But because Nirvana is beyond time, there is no movement and so no aging or dying. Thus Nirvana is eternal. Because it is beyond space, there is no causation, no boundary, no concept of self and not-self and thus Nirvana is infinite. The Buddha also assures us that Nirvana is an experience of profound happiness. He says:
Nirvana is the highest happiness.

Zen, I love your post. Thanks so much for transcribing this. It clearly links Nirvana back with the audio, "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:17 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi all. Quick Danielle fly-by. Bg, I realize you hate the idea of Danielle having forgotten her past, but the idea is completely growing on me. Someont on the Fuselage had an excellent point about the maps: thye're made from the perspective and vantage point of someone who has been to Alkatraz, especially the southern elevation. Then I started thinking, I'll bet the obsessiional notations and, especailly, the song lyrics -- so mournful and personal -- are her attempts to remember the past that's been taken from her! She's heartbroken, but doesn't fully understand why. Anyway, I know you think it's heretical, but I don't at all. No one's saying she's lying. I think it makes her absolutley more poignant -- I love the idea.

Oh, Danielle!

Hi Lucky, I remember we discussed this on the old Danielle thread - how the perspective of the map with the elevation view was that of someone who had been off the island at some distance. IMHO, it could very well have been the view from Alcatraz. However, at the time, if memory is correct, we speculated that the map with the elevation view may have been originally from the Black Rock. This speculation arose, I think, because of the aged look of the maps and because not all the handwriting matched. Am I remembering it right about the different handwriting on the notations? It's been a long time since we discussed this.

As for part of Danielle's memory being missing, I put the idea forth about a year ago that she could have missing memories as a result of being drugged ala Claire. However, IMHO, the drug idea, or a brainwashing as you're now suggesting, seems somewhat inconsistent with her name: Rousseau.

Facing criticism in Switzerland – his house in Motiers was stoned in 1765 – he took refuge with the philosopher David Hume in Great Britain. Isolated at Wootton on the borders of Derbyshire and Staffordshire, Rousseau suffered a serious decline in his mental health and began to experience paranoid fantasies about plots against him involving Hume and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau

I agree that some of the notations were very personal and showed her attempt to make sense of what was going on, but again, I think this can be explained by the philosopher, Rousseaus's invention of a more personal autobiography, one that reflected musings and ramblings, and does not in itself indicate proof of a brainwashing.

Still, many mysteries exist around Danielle and I both dread and look forward to her flashback. As I've stated numerous times, once I find out what happened 16 years ago and why Brennon took those damn pesky keys I'll no longer have reason to watch the show.

Wait. Now there's Ben and his backstory. I guess I can't leave anytime soon.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:20 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Uh-oh! I just anagrammed "Mittelos Bioscience" and here's what popped out:

To imbecile sections

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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:54 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Okay, I haven't had any coffee yet, so this going to be really a rambling of my thoughts.....

The point where time and space don't exist, (Nirvana) could be likened to the Tao, where all things issue from it, all things return to it (Tao Te Ching #52), or could be likened to the point where nothing becomes something (the interchangeability of mass = energy), could be likened to the zero point, where anything is possible, because everything is in existence in potentia.

So could the Others be studying potentia, and need to use the psychic abilities of special people (i.e., Walt, etc.)?

Zen's head explodes.....
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 09:01 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Okay, I haven't had any coffee yet, so this going to be really a rambling of my thoughts.....

The point where time and space don't exist, (Nirvana) could be likened to the Tao, where all things issue from it, all things return to it (Tao Te Ching #52), or could be likened to the point where nothing becomes something (the interchangeability of mass = energy), could be likened to the zero point, where anything is possible, because everything is in existence in potentia.

So could the Others be studying potentia, and need to use the psychic abilities of special people (i.e., Walt, etc.)?

Zen's head explodes.....

Zen, if I've understood what you're saying, I think the answer is yes. The Others hope to do something with time - stop it, recapture it, find it, or most likely, they want to transcend it and arrive at a point where everything is always already in existence, where everything is potential, yet has already happened, even while it's happening right now.

bg's head explodes
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 09:58 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Wait, I thought Rachel lived alone in the dingy place near the beach with Ethan crawling the halls. In the opening scene (night) didn't Juliet tell Rachel she wished she'd come stay with her?

Then the preggers reveal (day) happened at Juliet's high-rise condo?

You are most likely right. I thought it was the same play because of the view out the window. I will watch the scene again later

Zen & BG--Yow! You've been hard at work this morning! I've got lots of reading to do...
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 10:31 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
In the pre show, Carlton mentioned that the island (or did he say 'the show'?) is a Rube Goldberg machine.

From Wikipedia--

A Rube Goldberg machine or device is any exceedingly complex apparatus that performs a very simple task in a very indirect and convoluted way. Rube devised such pataphysical devices. The best examples of his machines have an anticipation factor: the fact that something so wacky is happening can only be topped by it happening in a suspenseful manner.

The term also applies as a classification for a generally over-complicated apparatus or software. It first appeared in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the definition, "accomplishing by extremely complex roundabout means what actually or seemingly could be done simply."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

some examples of his work--

http://www.rube-goldberg.com/
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 10:54 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Captain, thanks for bringing this up. I've had it in the back of my mind and been wanting to talk about it. If memory is correct, Cuse said "the show' is a Rube Goldberg machine.

After constructing this elaborately crazy thing for 4 or 5 seasons, do you think maybe the final episode will be when they drop the last ball or something? The ball that makes all the parts of the Rube Goldberg machine go into motion?
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 12:51 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Just had a synchronicity moment. Picked up Parallel Worlds and turned to this phrase:

"But if electrons can exist in parallel states hovering between existence and nonexistence, then why can't the universe? After all, at one point the universe was smaller than an electron." Michio Kaku

Twilight Zone music starts to blare...........
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 01:37 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=84150&fullsize=1

THE KALACHAKRA MANDALA

Everything in this mandala is the symbolic representation of some aspect of the Kalachakra deity and the deity's universe. There are 722 deities in the mandala which symbolise various manifestations of aspects of consciousness and reality, all part of the ultimate wisdom of the Kalachakra deity. Understanding and interpreting all of the symbols included in the mandala would be like reading the Kalachakra texts, which contains a vast range of teachings from cosmology to epistemology to psychology.

The Kalachakra Tantra is interpreted at three levels referred to as external, internal and alternative. The external concerns the laws of time and space of this physical world and accordingly deals with astronomy, astrology and mathematics. The internal concerns the elements and structure of the human body, including its energy system. The alternative is the doctrine, path and fruit of the actual meditational deity and its circular mandala abode.

The Kalachakra deity resides in the centre of the mandala. His palace consists of our mandala, one within another: the mandala of body, the mandala of speech, that of mind, and the very centre, wisdom and great bliss.

The palace is divided into four quadrants each with walls, gates, and a centre. The colours are specific representations of the elements and mental types. Black, in the east, is associated with the element of winds. The south is red, its elements is fire. The west is yellow, associated with the element of earth, and the north is white, represent water.

The square palace of the 722 deities is seated upon the first concentric circles, the first of which of which represents the earth. The other circles, represent water, fire, wind, space, and consciousness extend beyond the wall of the palace. The outer circles, a representation of the cosmos, is a source of Tibetan astrology. The ten wrathful deities who reside in one of the outer, concentric circles of the mandala serve as its protectors.

The Kalachakra sand mandala is dedicated to peace and physical balance, both for individual and for the world, thanks to the deities carefully among minute human, animal and floral forms, abstract pictographs, and the Sanskrit syllables that comprises the mandala's design.

Although depicted here on a flat surface, the mandala is actually three-dimensional, being a five-storeyed "divine mansion", at the centre of which stands the Kalachakra deity the manifest state of Enlightenment.

A person who simply sees this mandala many feel peace on many levels. According to the Dalai Lama, the Kalachakra deities create a favourable atmosphere, reducing tension and violence in the world. "It is a way of planting a seed, and the seed will have karmic effect. One doesn't need to be present at the Kalachakra ceremony in order to receive its benefits," he explains.

http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/kala1.html
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 04:38 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Hi Captain, thanks for bringing this up. I've had it in the back of my mind and been wanting to talk about it. If memory is correct, Cuse said "the show' is a Rube Goldberg machine.

After constructing this elaborately crazy thing for 4 or 5 seasons, do you think maybe the final episode will be when they drop the last ball or something? The ball that makes all the parts of the Rube Goldberg machine go into motion?

The machine has been in motion since the first show. The catch phrase 'Everything happens for a reason' made us think the show was a mystery to be solved like

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

when actually it was a series of unfortunate events like

Kate + murder + airplane = sex in a bear cage

Not something you can predict, but somehow fated.

So, really, all conspiracy theories are dead for me. Even the 'Juliet made the bus hit her ex' is highly unlikely.

Juliet's ex + bus + Alpert = 3 years, 2 months, 28 days of forced smiles and trying not to scream

It's all a Rube Goldbergian Interconnected Cosmic Fate Machine.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: ...A person who simply sees this mandala many feel peace on many levels. According to the Dalai Lama, the Kalachakra deities create a favourable atmosphere, reducing tension and violence in the world. "It is a way of planting a seed, and the seed will have karmic effect. One doesn't need to be present at the Kalachakra ceremony in order to receive its benefits," he explains.

http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/kala1.html

Nice work, Zen. Excellent!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:18 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

The machine has been in motion since the first show. The catch phrase 'Everything happens for a reason' made us think the show was a mystery to be solved like

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

when actually it was a series of unfortunate events like

Kate + murder + airplane = sex in a bear cage

Not something you can predict, but somehow fated.

So, really, all conspiracy theories are dead for me. Even the 'Juliet made the bus hit her ex' is highly unlikely.

Juliet's ex + bus + Alpert = 3 years, 2 months, 28 days of forced smiles and trying not to scream

It's all a Rube Goldbergian Interconnected Cosmic Fate Machine.

LOL, Captain, well said! I couldn't agree more. Brilliant math equations. Mind if I try some?

Jack + Alcoholic father + airplane = Playing poker on a beach for papayas.

Locke (-) (minus sign) one kidney + an orange slice = trapped under a blast door staring at a map painted with fabric softener.

This could be addictive!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:21 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself-Well...How did I get here?

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

From the Talking Heads, "Stop Making Sense."
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:24 PM
by: marbalbc (472 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
Hello Joopers! May I interrupt a moment to ask a question?

You all followed the Lost Experience, correct? Can someone confirm to me that Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation voluntarily or otherwise? Seems I saw some mention of this at some point, but can't really remember.

Appreciate it!

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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:27 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

LOL, Captain, well said! I couldn't agree more. Mind if I try some of your math?

Jack + Alcoholic father + airplane = Playing poker on a beach for papayas.

Locke (-) (minus sign) one kidney + an orange slice = trapped under a blast door staring at a map painted with fabric softener.

This could be addictive!

Lost Mathematics!

Sayid + 4 toed statue + Other trap = (negative)sailboat
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:32 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hello Joopers! May I interrupt a moment to ask a question?

You all followed the Lost Experience, correct? Can someone confirm to me that Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation voluntarily or otherwise? Seems I saw some mention of this at some point, but can't really remember.

Appreciate it!

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Hi marb, if memory is correct, Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation when Rachel Blake blew the whistle and the police arrested him. He escaped, vowing we had not seen the last of him.

I'm digging for corroborating transcripts or video, but I'm pretty sure that's roughly how it went.

Here we go:

After video evidence (the Sri Lanka Video) was released of Mittelwerk admitting to his plans, the authorities attempted to aprehend Mittelwerk. However, he managed to escape with the virus, and in the process blew up the Hanso Foundation headquarters. After Alvar Hanso released a statement, Mittelwerk hacked the website feed with his own statement of:

You've taken the battle, but that's all it was, a battle. Humanity needs me, now more than ever. I have the virus, I have the will, and I will not fail.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas_Mittelwerk

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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:39 PM
by: marbalbc (472 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
Thanks BG. The reason I was asking was because of Mittelos Bio-science. I wondered if Mittelwerk had left Hanso to form his own company, or if MBS falls under the Hanso Foundation umbrella.

PS - am I spelling Mittelwerk wrong? Is it Mittlewerk? I've seen both and don't know which is correct.

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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:40 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Lost Mathematics!

Sayid + 4 toed statue + Other trap = (negative)sailboat

^^^^

Claire + bun in the oven + fortune teller = crashed on an island (-) hairbrush.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:46 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

^^^^

Claire + bun in the oven + fortune teller = crashed on an island (-) hairbrush.

Desmond (-) pants =
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:46 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
BG: If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.

Your statement made me think of one of the many books I have. Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock, Monster Movies & The Truth About Reality. This pretty much sums up Karl's rehabilitation (well maybe all except Smokie)
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:50 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Thanks BG. The reason I was asking was because of Mittelos Bio-science. I wondered if Mittelwerk had left Hanso to form his own company, or if MBS falls under the Hanso Foundation umbrella.

PS - am I spelling Mittelwerk wrong? Is it Mittlewerk? I've seen both and don't know which is correct.

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Hi again, Marb, my pleasure.

I think the take-away from the LE was that Mittelwerk (yes, that's how it's spelled) was operating far outside the bounds of research ethics, criminal law, etc. Ostensibly, Hanso had turned over the reigns of the Hanso Foundation to Mitterlwerk some years in the past, and Hanso was either on the run or under house arrest while Mittelwerk was running things.

The question remains whether or not mad scientist Mittelwerk had altruistic - if insanely deluded - aims, or if he was out to make a buck.

I'm putting my money on Mittelos being connected with the Mittelwerk-run Hanso conglomerate, whether or not it is/was on the record as a Hanso company or not.

One thing to note. The LE and Mittelwerk's take down happened in 2006, so anything we see on the show, including flashbacks, would have happened while Mittelwerk was running amok with his mad scientific research projects.
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Sawyer + Are You There God, It's Me Margaret = Harry Potter glasses
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Sawyer + Are You There God, It's Me Margaret = Harry Potter glasses

Hurley + hospital stay + Connect4 = lottery win (-) good luck + one-legged Australian woman
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BG: If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.

Your statement made me think of one of the many books I have. Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock, Monster Movies & The Truth About Reality. This pretty much sums up Karl's rehabilitation (well maybe all except Smokie)

Zen! Bingo! You are brilliant! This brief snippet from a review of "Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock..." I found on Amazon fits perfectly with the Karl scene.

Brad Warner combines often humorous hip punk attitude with a profound understanding of Zen. I particularly like his reference to "The Wisdom of No Escape".

And this:

The whole point about Zen is that it is anti-intellectual (the whole goal is to baffle the intellect and achieve direct seeing!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcore-Zen-Monster-Movies-Reality/dp/086171380X

I've never heard of this book. Looks like I'll have to add it to my list of must reads. (Although I must confess I sort of prefer the more traditional tomes. )

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Hurley + hospital stay + Connect4 = lottery win (-) good luck + one-legged Australian woman

Just Savin' the World + Hatch Implosion = 5 iron + Happy Baby Family - Agitated Charlie
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Zen math =

Captain math =

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Zen! Bingo! You are brilliant! This brief snippet from a review of "Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock..." I found on Amazon fits perfectly with the Karl scene.

Brad Warner combines often humorous hip punk attitude with a profound understanding of Zen. I particularly like his reference to "The Wisdom of No Escape".

And this:

The whole point about Zen is that it is anti-intellectual (the whole goal is to baffle the intellect and achieve direct seeing!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcore-Zen-Monster-Movies-Reality/dp/086171380X

I've never heard of this book. Looks like I'll have to add it to my list of must reads. (Although I must confess I sort of prefer the more traditional tomes. )

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This is a great read. It's an autobiography of Brad, if you will. He's really made this book interesting, fun and educational. Lots of personal stories, lots of zen treasures.
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21 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

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Posted: Feb 08 @ 02:49 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Morning, Joopers,

Whew! Kate and Sawyer- successful escape!

And Jack was given something he always needs:
a Damsel in Distress.

Hi Island Lilly, excellent point about Jack now having something he always needs: a Damsel in Distress. Your idea goes a long way to explain her character's presence in the show. If Jack learns of her backstory and her desperation to leave the island, he'll have something to fix.
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Not trying to be offensive, but that's basically what happens to the character Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Judged by society to be too violent and independant, he is brainwashed and his violent tendancies removed. This also removes his independance and he has to rely on society to tell him what to do. The difference in the stories is Jacob had a revelation, while Alex was forced to submit.

Rossini's The Theiving Magpie is playing on the radio. This song is used in ACO. How cool is that?

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Great connections you've made here, Captain. I wouldn't have connected the Jacob story to ACO in a million years. Nice!
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Captain: Anyone else wonder if Ethan had anything to do with Rachael's miraculous pregnancy?

Seek: I don't know captain ? I was thinking that maybe he had snucked into Rachel's apartment, drugged her and then took a blood sample to see if she was pregnant or not. The reason I think that he did this, is because Juliet mentions to her about falling asleep with candles burning and she had some kind of oxygen tank beside her (not a good idea to take a nap

Good question, Captain. It did seem strange that he was in the building, didn't it? I'm guessing he was confirming the results of Juliet's work for Mittelwork, er, I mean Mittelos.
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Bg : 1. Did anyone catch any easter eggs (and the anagram) that's supposed to provide clues about Adam and Eve and about the unfolding mythology?

Could the anagram have been the Bioscience company, Mittelos ? Time Lost or Lost Time ? As for it providing a clue to Adam and Eve, maybe the drugs/vaccines increases or ages people and the skeletons in the cave are actually younger than what Jack had said they were ( like Juliet thought that the picture of the womb was of an older woman but it was not )? Maybe they were injected with the vaccines (produced by the company) to heal them from the damage that was happening inside their bodies but it rapidly aged them (from the outside) and they died ? Lost their lives = Lost Time ???

Hi Seek, I think the consensus is that the anagram was Mittelos (Lost Time or Time Lost). I think the other major easter eggs were:

* The name, Edmund Burke

*The Clockwork Orange references

*The Stephen Hawkings book Karl was reading, "A Brief History of Time."

more on this later
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So in Otherville, you must adhere to their Utopian society (as in Clockwork Orange). What do they want to accomplish? Cutting edge science that is unethical--as Edmond suggested? I am still appalled at the indoctrination process.

Zen collaspes on the floor

Apparently so, Zen. Like you, I've been collapsed on the floor. I'm just now rousing.
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Captain: Not 'indoctrination', rehabilitation. Remember when Ben told AL that Goodwin thought she could be rehabilitated? I bet this is what he was talking about.

Zen: You're right! I forgot about that!

So you loose your sense of independence, and join the Others where everything is done for the Greater Good. Juliette's comments on free will, and her book club choice become all that more poignant!

I forgot about it, too. Good memory, Captain.

Zen, good connection with Juliet's comments about free will and about the greater good.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 03:19 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Could this be 'the room' that bea threatened Walt with?
Ms Klugh: Walt! You want me to put you in the room again? if the others put walt in a room like that - what kind of monsters are they?
i thought sawyers jawdropped overwhelmed reaction was really interesting

juliet arrived on the island around september 11, 2001

desmond said he had been in the hatch for three years - this means they arrived at about the same time

could juliet's arrival have had something to do with desmond's ship wreck?

Hi Sweet, I think it's a good possibility that Walt was in or near the same or a similar facility. Which raises the question of how he communicated via computer with Michael. Maybe his mind was expressing itself via the computer without him actually touching the keys or something.

Good question about Juliet's arrival coinciding or having a causal effect on Desmond's shipwreck. I don't know! But it seems plausible.
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Whew! I think I'm caught up.
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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Also, has anyone ID'd the music that was blaring in the Karl scene?

Pretty sure it was an original piece by 'Guy Whose Name I Can't Remember' who does the music for the show. You didn't like it? I thought it was great!
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 03:39 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Also, has anyone ID'd the music that was blaring in the Karl scene?

Pretty sure it was an original piece by 'Guy Whose Name I Can't Remember' who does the music for the show. You didn't like it? I thought it was great!

LOL, Captain, no, I didn't much care for the music. Maybe if I were in a club sipping a cold drink, but not then, not there.
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by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
bg: Did you REALLY tell them you wanted to know about Brendan and what he did with the key?

You are priceless! (in the best possible way).

You really were upset about the buddhist images? Was it their cavalier usage or their juxtaposition against other images of questionable acceptability? I confess to an interpretation of their usage in the ACO scene as little more than inclusion in a series of icons intended to drive the messages into the mind by association with archetypes.

ACO is one of my favorite movies. It IS "ultra-violent" and as long as you understand that it has to be that way since it is a study in the control of uncontrollable violence, it can be appreciated. I just LOVE the scenes at the end of the movie when Alex is being fed by the minister in the hospital.

Parallels? Dom reminds me a bit of the Malcolm McDowell character Alex. And there is the obvious NAME association to Danielle's daughter.

Speaking of whom, what is the consensus about Alex's relationship to Ben? Adopted? Defacto father? Was Ben in Danielle's party, engaging in a little adulteration? But she said she was already pregnant during the expedition. Perhaps Ben was active before the group left?
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Sneaker, LOL, Yes, I told Touchstone I wanted to know about Brennon and that damn pesky key. It's one of the main reasons I started posting on the general board in the first place and one of the main reaons I keep watching the show - that and wanting to see Danielle's flashback episode, of course.

On another note, yes, I was very upset with the use of Buddhist images in what can only be termed brainwashing. In addition to the reasons I stated in my earlier post, another reason I'm upset is that the use of Buddhist iconography in that scene violates one of the very foundations of Buddhist thinking: it is never to be imposed upon someone.

On still another note, I haven't seen ACO in a long time. I'll have to rewatch it before I can make much of a contribution to its discussion.

As for Alex's paternity, I don't think there's a consensus. Some think Ben is the biological father, which calls into question everything Danielle has told us. Some, including myself, think that Ben is the "adoptive" father - that is, perhaps he raised her after she was taken from Danielle.

Either way, I don't think Alex knows who her mother is nor that she's alive. IMHO, as rebellious as Alex is, if she had any inkling her mother was nearby she would likely try to find and contact her. Thus, Ben has probably lied to Alex and made up some story about her mother being dead.
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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
ACO is one of my favorite movies. It IS "ultra-violent" and as long as you understand that it has to be that way since it is a study in the control of uncontrollable violence, it can be appreciated. I just LOVE the scenes at the end of the movie when Alex is being fed by the minister in the hospital.

I actually really love it too. But having not seen it in over 25 years and watching the brainwashing scene out of context made for a disturbing pre-breakfast experience this morning.

Dom really does sound like Malcolm. Doubt Charlie could handle a bit of the ultraviolence though. Doesn't have the yarbles for it.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 05:40 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Captain, did you not watch LOST last night? I wondered where you were. I thought it was just the difference in time zones, but maybe the 10:00 timeslot is affecting folks.
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Hi Captain, did you not watch LOST last night? I wondered where you were. I thought it was just the difference in time zones, but maybe the 10:00 timeslot is affecting folks.

I watched it last night. I thought about logging on after the show, but figured everybody had already gone to bed.

Did you watch the pre-show? I thought it was going to be another cheesy clip show so I missed some of it. I was surprised to see Carlton admit that the island has the power to manifest people and animals.
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I watched it last night. I thought about logging on after the show, but figured everybody had already gone to bed.

Did you watch the pre-show? I thought it was going to be another cheesy clip show so I missed some of it. I was surprised to see Carlton admit that the island has the power to manifest people and animals.

Hi Captain, I watched it twice and I was impressed, too. In some ways I found it more interesting than 'Not in Portland.'

One tidbit I thought intriguing was the comment about "...one might assume the Others were living an idyllic life but then the plane crashed."

While we might assume it, do you think that's something we should assume? I'm on the fence on this.
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Hi Captain, I watched it twice and I was impressed, too. In some ways I found it more interesting than 'Not in Portland.'

One tidbit I thought intriguing was the comment about "...one might assume the Others were living an idyllic life but then the plane crashed."

While we might assume it, do you think that's something we should assume? I'm on the fence on this.

I would like to see that one again. Will have to see if they plan to replay it.

I have never assumed an idyllic life for the Others. Everything we've seen about them aside from their cute little bungalows is highly disturbing, possibly psychotic. Of course, we've only seen them after the crash...

I want a Ben Linus pre-crash flashback! And I want it NOW!!!
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I would like to see that one again. Will have to see if they plan to replay it.

I have never assumed an idyllic life for the Others. Everything we've seen about them aside from their cute little bungalows is highly disturbing, possibly psychotic. Of course, we've only seen them after the crash...

I want a Ben Linus pre-crash flashback! And I want it NOW!!!

Hi Captain, I agree we need a Ben flashback - we have so little to go on, pre-crash. We know Juliet wasn't happy, and we know they sometimes had plumbing problems, and we know Ben was miffed about being "out of the book club."

Actually, those are all pretty mild problems. Maybe it was sort of idyllic.

gotta get some sleep

g'night

bg
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. TGIF.

Anyone having luck connecting the easter eggs to the Adam & Eve mystery and to the upcoming mythology?

I'm not getting very far.

I think the name, Edmund Burke, and the Clockwork Orange references can both be connected with freewill and choice, and the role of the state apparatus in creating a "good" society - something we've seen playing out in the Other's society. Burke seems to imply that "evil" is a necessary component of a civilized society, although I'm fuzzy on his exact logic, while the ACO references are as clear as day:

Before Alex goes for his two weeks of Ludovico's Technique, the chaplain takes him aside and muses on the moral questions raised by this method of conditioning by which Alex will be forced to be good: "What does God want? Does God want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a man who chooses the bad perhaps in some way better than a man who has the good imposed upon him?"

More puzzling, perhaps, is the structured mirroring of ACO and how it might relate to LOST. Are we now in part II of LOST and part III will mirror (in an opposite kind of way) part I? Does this somehow get us back to Adam and Eve?

...Parts I and III imitate each other. Part III is truly a mirror image of Part I: both identical and reversed. In Part III, Alex encounters all the characters of Part I but finds himself in a position relative to each directly opposite than his position at the beginning of the novel. In Part I, Alex and his friends beat up the helpless old man who runs into them coming back from the public library; in Part III, Alex runs into this same old man and is, humiliatingly, beaten up by him and his old cronies...

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/clockworkorange/section22.rhtml

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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
These two easter eggs:

*The Stephen Hawkings book Karl was reading, "A Brief History of Time."

*The anagram for Mittelos (Lost Time or Time Lost)

are troubling to me in that I had hoped to avoid having to think about any sort of time loops or time distortions. But it's pretty well been shoved in my face, so here we go. Grab the tinfoil.

The hatch implosion created a tiny, mini-black hole through which Desmond traveled and emerged. The mini-black hole's creation was detected by the two watchdogs. Further, it created a small time distortion, a hiccup or wrinkle, if you will, on the island, and finally, it gave (or enhanced) Desmond's precog ability. The small wrinkle in time could be the "catastrophically screwed" part.

On July 18, 2004, Stephen Hawkings revised his thinking about Black Holes. Previously he thought that anything entering into the vicinity of a black hole would be sucked in and stay there forever, giving off no clue as to its existence, but in 2004 he revised his thinking that info could escape from black holes.

According to his new concept of black hole model these holes never completely destroy everything that falls in. Instead, they continue to emit radiation for extended periods, eventually open up to reveal the information within them. He explained ‘The black holes only appears to form but later opens up and releases information about what fell in, so we can be sure of the past and we can predict the future.’

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/ajoy/hawking.htm

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Posted: Feb 09 @ 03:46 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Interesting result when I googled "3 years, 2 months, 28 days." Probably irrelevant, but you never know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_Of_Things_To_Come

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Years_Two_Months_Eleven_Days
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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Good morning Joopers!

TGIF!

Backgammon--don't know if the TPTB read this thread about Punk Rockers a while back. Maybe it is a shout out! I'll see if I can find the link and add it.

Whiney Punk Rockers

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by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Morning, Joopers.

Do you think 'Aldo' was a shout out to Aldous Huxley's A Brave New World?

http://www.huxley.net/bnw/index.html
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Posted: Feb 09 @ 09:51 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
*The anagram for Mittelos (Lost Time or Time Lost)

Did the producers confirm that is correct anagram?

It could also read 'EM--Lost it.'
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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Morning, Joopers.

Do you think 'Aldo' was a shout out to Aldous Huxley's A Brave New World?

http://www.huxley.net/bnw/index.html

That would be cool.

I read elsewhere that Aldo was an ape from 'The Planet of the Apes' series. He was the first ape to kill one of his own. (There was a rule 'Ape does not kill ape'.) I figure his name was foreshadowing Juliet killing Danny.
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I keep forgetting to write how much I am enjoying Tom. He's fast becoming one of my favorite characters. I have a feeling he is going to turn out to have been an actor in another life.
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Posted: Feb 09 @ 10:50 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Only fools are enslaved by time and space

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1521051&forumStart=0
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Posted: Feb 09 @ 11:18 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Did anyone get a look at the Dharma logo sitting on Rachael's side table at the beginning of the last ep? There are no screen caps for that scene on LostMedia.
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Posted: Feb 09 @ 11:32 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

I read elsewhere that Aldo was an ape from 'The Planet of the Apes' series. He was the first ape to kill one of his own. (There was a rule 'Ape does not kill ape'.) I figure his name was foreshadowing Juliet killing Danny.

LOL, that sounds like the geek boys.
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Posted: Feb 09 @ 12:11 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Only fools are enslaved by time and space

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1521051&forumStart=0

Zen sneaks into the thread and exclaims "Holy Time/Space Warp Batman!"
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Dark UFO has the screencaps up from the Clockwork Orange scene.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/02/brainwashing-scene-text.html
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Dark UFO has the screencaps up from the Clockwork Orange scene.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/02/brainwashing-scene-text.html

From wakingsleep's thread:

Here are all the messages:

1. Plant a good seed and joyfully gather fruit

2. Everything changes

3. God loves you as he loved Jacob.

4. We are the causes of our own suffering

All very Buddhist, except for the Jacob statement. Very scary way to have someone follow the path, not at all a reflective way to understanding. And that music....poor Karl.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:18 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

From wakingsleep's thread:

Here are all the messages:

1. Plant a good seed and joyfully gather fruit

2. Everything changes

3. God loves you as he loved Jacob.

4. We are the causes of our own suffering

All very Buddhist, except for the Jacob statement. Very scary way to have someone follow the path, not at all a reflective way to understanding. And that music....poor Karl.

Hi Zen, I picked up on the Buddhist concepts, too, and I found them very troubling in that context, partly because I had to struggle against being personally offended.

On a more objective note, I wonder if we can infer from this that the Others distort and abuse other philosophies and precepts to their own ends, and not just Buddhist concepts?
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by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006

Hi Zen, I picked up on the Buddhist concepts, too, and I found them very troubling in that context, partly because I had to struggle against being personally offended.

On a more objective note, I wonder if we can infer from this that the Others distort and abuse other philosophies and precepts to their own ends, and not just Buddhist concepts?

I would say that Lost in general has distorted several religious concepts throughout the show, and I don't think they're out to offend anybody. Just like with the whole baptism thing and all the fights that started. To me, they were just using what seem like general statements that took on cultish meaning only because of the circumstances. I wouldn't get too worried about it. Most non-buddists wouldn't have made any connection, it seems.

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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
It really was quite disturbing. I'm not certain as to why the Others would disrespectfully use these concepts--other than the writers wanting to portray the juxtaposition. Again, it was very offensive.

On another note, I found this bit of info on Jacob's story:

After wrestling all night, God dislocated Jacob's thigh with a touch (32:25). This showed Jacob who he was fighting with (someone with immense power who could easily beat him), and that this was a picture. God had been taking progressively more drastic steps (Esau; Laban; Esau) to teach Jacob to abandon his self-sufficiency and trust him.

Now crippled, Jacob can only hang on to God--a picture of his proper relationship with God. Now that Jacob's tenacity is expressed in a dependent posture, God blesses him (probably reiterates the Promise) and renames him to cleanse him from his old ways ("supplanter;" "deceiver") and give him a new identity to live up to ("one who strives effectively with God"). God has always been willing to bless Jacob. He has only been waiting for Jacob to ask with a trusting, dependent heart.

taken from the website: http://www.xenos.org/teachings/ot/genesis/gary/gen25-2.htm
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:36 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Tinfoil hat time: 2nd thought about the Buddhist concepts being used to torture Karl: What if the Others had a rift with the original Dharma Initative people?
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:37 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I would say that Lost in general has distorted several religious concepts throughout the show, and I don't think they're out to offend anybody. Just like with the whole baptism thing and all the fights that started. To me, they were just using what seem like general statements that took on cultish meaning only because of the circumstances. I wouldn't get too worried about it. Most non-buddists wouldn't have made any connection, it seems.

Hi Lil' Rosie, I agree that LOST doesn't pick sides - they seem to be pretty fair about offending folks of all faiths and philosophies.

Speaking of being offended, in this preview clip for next week's episode, does someone blow up the cow barn? What in the world is going on?!! Why does someone want to kill the poor cows?!

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/02/flashes-before-your-eyes-us-trailer.html
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:43 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

It really was quite disturbing. I'm not certain as to why the Others would disrespectfully use these concepts--other than the writers wanting to portray the juxtaposition. Again, it was very offensive.

On another note, I found this bit of info on Jacob's story:

After wrestling all night, God dislocated Jacob's thigh with a touch (32:25). This showed Jacob who he was fighting with (someone with immense power who could easily beat him), and that this was a picture. God had been taking progressively more drastic steps (Esau; Laban; Esau) to teach Jacob to abandon his self-sufficiency and trust him.

Now crippled, Jacob can only hang on to God--a picture of his proper relationship with God. Now that Jacob's tenacity is expressed in a dependent posture, God blesses him (probably reiterates the Promise) and renames him to cleanse him from his old ways ("supplanter;" "deceiver") and give him a new identity to live up to ("one who strives effectively with God"). God has always been willing to bless Jacob. He has only been waiting for Jacob to ask with a trusting, dependent heart.

taken from the website: http://www.xenos.org/teachings/ot/genesis/gary/gen25-2.htm

Hi Zen, I agree it was offensive. I'm hoping the writers did it deliberately as you stated for a juxtaposition effect, and not just because they're dolts.

That's a fascinating quote about Jacob. In view of what little we know or have hypothesized about Jacob, I'm wondering if Ben thinks he's God and his followers are Jacobs? Dr. Manhattan again?
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:48 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Tinfoil hat time: 2nd thought about the Buddhist concepts being used to torture Karl: What if the Others had a rift with the original Dharma Initative people?

Hi Zen, if my memory is correct, I think TPTB have stated that the Others and the Nother Others are not composed of any of the original Dharmas, rift or no rift. But it's very late and I may be remembering wrong.

Regardless of whether they are true Dharmas or not, I think it's fair that they may have borrowed heavily from Dharma's "stuff." They occupy Dharma buildings, they use Dharma ketchup, etc, so it wouldn't be surprising to me that they grabbed onto some of the original Dharma philosophy and then twisted it to their own purposes.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:50 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
It's late. My tinfoil is burnt and crispy.

g'night

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:53 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Good night BG!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 10:50 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Drat, I missed the rest of the discussion. One thing I wanted to add: wasn't that a great scene when Kate weas telling Jack the story and Jack was finishing the surgery as fear subsided for both of them? Evie is really getting to be a good actress. Even Sawyer looked moved listening to her.

And I just rewatched the brainwashing video - Holy Wires and headgear, can someone please come out and say, "Lucky, we knew you weren't crazy going on and on about the goggles and scuba gear"? Please? I've worked so hard to try and show people this, even though no one could ever see it and everyone thought I was nuts (well, not you guys). It is very, very creepy.

Now just wait 'til you see all the kids in the jungle, not to mention the wires.
"Night, all.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 07:06 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Goggles?? Lucky, we knew you weren't crazy, dear.

Have to agree about the pregnant sister. It will be interesting to see how they will justify that, if indeed she is also being treated for cancer. Also if the only way Juliet could get home was with Ben's help, why would she want him dead?

More questions, but a few answers. Good show.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 08:08 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

From wakingsleep's thread:

Here are all the messages:

1. Plant a good seed and joyfully gather fruit

2. Everything changes

3. God loves you as he loved Jacob.

4. We are the causes of our own suffering

All very Buddhist, except for the Jacob statement. Very scary way to have someone follow the path, not at all a reflective way to understanding. And that music....poor Karl.

Good morning Joopers ! Just wanted to add a couple things here to the discussion of lastnights episode.

5. " Think about your Life " was also a message in the film. In the imagery there was a flash of Gerald DeGroot. Iam guessing that this video was from Dharma since he appeared in it. Also when Kate, Sawyer and Alex first came into the building, you could see a glimpse of a small satellite dish . This must be how they are getting their outside feeds.

Also I noticed when Kate and Sawyer were running thru the woods, several tree's had red paint marks on them. * Lucky, did you see them too ? ( It went very fast, but I slowed down the shots and you can see them ). Marked tree's like Eko did. Are they marked for a special reason ??
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 09:31 AM
by: IslandLilly (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005
Morning, Joopers,

Whew! Kate and Sawyer- successful escape!

And Jack was given something he always needs:
a Damsel in Distress.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 10:18 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

On another note, I found this bit of info on Jacob's story:

After wrestling all night, God dislocated Jacob's thigh with a touch (32:25). This showed Jacob who he was fighting with (someone with immense power who could easily beat him), and that this was a picture. God had been taking progressively more drastic steps (Esau; Laban; Esau) to teach Jacob to abandon his self-sufficiency and trust him.

Now crippled, Jacob can only hang on to God--a picture of his proper relationship with God. Now that Jacob's tenacity is expressed in a dependent posture, God blesses him (probably reiterates the Promise) and renames him to cleanse him from his old ways ("supplanter;" "deceiver") and give him a new identity to live up to ("one who strives effectively with God"). God has always been willing to bless Jacob. He has only been waiting for Jacob to ask with a trusting, dependent heart.

Not trying to be offensive, but that's basically what happens to the character Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Judged by society to be too violent and independant, he is brainwashed and his violent tendancies removed. This also removes his independance and he has to rely on society to tell him what to do. The difference in the stories is Jacob had a revelation, while Alex was forced to submit.

Rossini's The Theiving Magpie is playing on the radio. This song is used in ACO. How cool is that?

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Posted: Feb 08 @ 10:23 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Anyone else wonder if Ethan had anything to do with Rachael's miraculous pregnancy?
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 10:38 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

Anyone else wonder if Ethan had anything to do with Rachael's miraculous pregnancy?

I don't know captain ? I was thinking that maybe he had snucked into Rachel's apartment, drugged her and then took a blood sample to see if she was pregnant or not. The reason I think that he did this, is because Juliet mentions to her about falling asleep with candles burning and she had some kind of oxygen tank beside her (not a good idea to take a nap).
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 10:51 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

I don't know captain ? I was thinking that maybe he had snucked into Rachel's apartment, drugged her and then took a blood sample to see if she was pregnant or not. The reason I think that he did this, is because Juliet mentions to her about falling asleep with candles burning and she had some kind of oxygen tank beside her (not a good idea to take a nap).

You're right. Probably just testing.

I was going to post the brainwashing scene from ACO, but it is VERY VIOLENT. I had forgotten just how disturbing it is. The movie was rated X when it was released in the 60s. Keep that in mind if you go looking for the movie.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 10:58 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005
Bg : 1. Did anyone catch any easter eggs (and the anagram) that's supposed to provide clues about Adam and Eve and about the unfolding mythology?

Could the anagram have been the Bioscience company, Mittelos ? Time Lost or Lost Time ? As for it providing a clue to Adam and Eve, maybe the drugs/vaccines increases or ages people and the skeletons in the cave are actually younger than what Jack had said they were ( like Juliet thought that the picture of the womb was of an older woman but it was not )? Maybe they were injected with the vaccines (produced by the company) to heal them from the damage that was happening inside their bodies but it rapidly aged them (from the outside) and they died ? Lost their lives = Lost Time ???
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 11:09 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Not trying to be offensive, but that's basically what happens to the character Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Judged by society to be too violent and independant, he is brainwashed and his violent tendancies removed. This also removes his independance and he has to rely on society to tell him what to do. The difference in the stories is Jacob had a revelation, while Alex was forced to submit.

Rossini's The Theiving Magpie is playing on the radio. This song is used in ACO. How cool is that?

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So in Otherville, you must adhere to their Utopian society (as in Clockwork Orange). What do they want to accomplish? Cutting edge science that is unethical--as Edmond suggested? I am still appalled at the indoctrination process.

Zen collaspes on the floor
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 11:23 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

So in Otherville, you must adhere to their Utopian society (as in Clockwork Orange). What do they want to accomplish? Cutting edge science that is unethical--as Edmond suggested? I am still appalled at the indoctrination process.

Zen collaspes on the floor

Not 'indoctrination', rehabilitation. Remember when Ben told AL that Goodwin thought she could be rehabilitated? I bet this is what he was talking about.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 11:31 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Not 'indoctrination', rehabilitation. Remember when Ben told AL that Goodwin thought she could be rehabilitated? I bet this is what he was talking about.

You're right! I forgot about that!

So you loose your sense of independence, and join the Others where everything is done for the Greater Good. Juliette's comments on free will, and her book club choice become all that more poignant!
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 01:04 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006
hey
hey
hey joopers!
i don't know about you - but my skin CRAWLED when Ben said 'hey'
MAN can that guy do creepy!

Karl's clockwork orange room was jawdropping
all the benign images and the philosophical statements (didn't know til now they were buddhist) with the loud music was SO sinister

Could this be 'the room' that bea threatened Walt with?
Ms Klugh: Walt! You want me to put you in the room again? if the others put walt in a room like that - what kind of monsters are they?
i thought sawyers jawdropped overwhelmed reaction was really interesting

overall really liked the epi
can't tell if it was deprivation or that I LOVE THIS SHOW!
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 01:17 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006
juliet arrived on the island around september 11, 2001

desmond said he had been in the hatch for three years - this means they arrived at about the same time

could juliet's arrival have had something to do with desmond's ship wreck?
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 01:27 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Afternoon, Joopers. Being that I am on the Touchstone Advisory Board, I was contacted and asked to answer a few questions about last night's episode. A live Q & A session is coming up in about 30 minutes, and I intend to participate in that, as well. Zen, since you're also on the Board, did you respond?

Here's my response to their questions.

1. How would you rate last night's all new episode compared to other episodes this season?

Compared to the first 6 epis, 'Not in Portland' was terrible. In fact, it was one of the worst LOST episodes ever.

First, I was deeply offended by the use of Buddhist imagery in Karl's brainwashing scene. While the iconography and practice of other faiths such as Christianity and Islam have been depicted in a somewhat negative light in past seasons, in no instance were those faiths associated with brainwashing and forced consumption as was Buddhism in last night's episode. I am appalled and disgusted.

Second, I was mystified by Juliet's character in the flashback. She is in an abusive and exploitive relationship with her ex-husband, Edmund Burke, so why on earth would she be so eager to tell him of her success with Rachel's impregnation? This defied logic. As for the logic of impregnating a sister who is apparently very sick, this defies logic as well, but I can somewhat accept that Juliet may have thought it was a good idea, as weird as it may seem. But is this supposed to make me like her? I don’t understand.

Third, I don't understand why the creative team thinks that infertility is an interesting storyline. While it may be somewhat interesting as it relates to the island, who cares about Rachel's infertility? Or rather, who cares about Rachel? For that matter, why should I care about Juliet? Nothing I saw last night endeared her to me. She was a victimized mess with some questionable ethics and logic. Yawn. Was her hiding under a lab table and getting caught by her ex-husband supposed to make me laugh or feel sympathy for her? I don’t get it.

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Posted: Feb 08 @ 01:28 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
cont...

2. Which characters do you find most compelling?Why?
I find Benry's character the most compelling because he's so full of surprises Also Danielle and Sayid are compelling - Danielle because she's such a mystery and Sayid because he's the most self-reflexive and honest.

3. Which characters would you like to see more of? Why?
I would like to see more of Benry, Danielle, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Locke, and Desmond.

4. There are many questions that have not been answered. Of all these mysteries, which would you like answered the most?
• Who are The Others?
• What is the meaning of the numbers?
• What is the monster?
• What are the whispering sounds?
• What is the four-toed statue?
• What happened when the hatch imploded (sky lit up, sound, etc.)?
• What is the Dharma Initiative?

The mystery I would like answered the most is the smoke monster. Where did it come from? What is it? Why did it kill one of my favorites, Mr. Eko?

5. Are there any other mysteries that you MUST know the answer to?

Yes, I MUST know Danielle's backstory. I'm MUST see a flashback that depicts events 16 years ago when she crashed on the island. Further, I MUST know who Brennon is and why he took the key.

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Posted: Feb 08 @ 02:37 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky: Holy Wires and headgear, can someone please come out and say, "Lucky, we knew you weren't crazy going on and on about the goggles and scuba gear"? Please? I've worked so hard to try and show people this, even though no one could ever see it and everyone thought I was nuts

Lucky, I'd like to believe these things you see are there, if for no other reason than it's so desperately important to you and because I care about you so much. But like Sayid, I can only believe what I can see. And all I see are the usual perception tricks the eye and brain play when one stares at something for a long time.
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 02:40 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Goggles?? Lucky, we knew you weren't crazy, dear.

Have to agree about the pregnant sister. It will be interesting to see how they will justify that, if indeed she is also being treated for cancer. Also if the only way Juliet could get home was with Ben's help, why would she want him dead?

More questions, but a few answers. Good show.

Hi LLassin, good question about why Juliet would want Ben dead if he were the only way she could get off the island. Also, what are your thoughts on her comment that "Jack would never just kill someone deliberately." Did she believe that when she was asking him to kill Ben? If so, why would she ask him?
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Posted: Feb 08 @ 02:45 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Good morning Joopers ! Just wanted to add a couple things here to the discussion of lastnights episode.

5. " Think about your Life " was also a message in the film. In the imagery there was a flash of Gerald DeGroot. Iam guessing that this video was from Dharma since he appeared in it. Also when Kate, Sawyer and Alex first came into the building, you could see a glimpse of a small satellite dish . This must be how they are getting their outside feeds.

Also I noticed when Kate and Sawyer were running thru the woods, several tree's had red paint marks on them. * Lucky, did you see them too ? ( It went very fast, but I slowed down the shots and you can see them ). Marked tree's like Eko did. Are they marked for a special reason ??

Hi Seek, good catch about the small satellite dish outside and the Gerald DeGroot image in the video. I saw some screencaps today that show the infamous Hanso standing in the window image, as well. Both images are from the Orientation video indicating that perhaps someone did some cut and splice to make this one.

I wonder if there's any connection with the film splice that was found inside the Bible in the Arrow station.

Also, has anyone ID'd the music that was blaring in the Karl scene?
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 12:31 PM
by: sheetler (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2006
Happy LOST watching day Joopers!

Sorry the real world has swallowed me whole, and the computer is dead, so I can't come play hardly ever any more

I look forward to reading through the greatness that is the Joop thread whenever I get the chance from now on.

Have a wonderful Wednesday, LOST is almost on!!!!!!

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 01:37 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good afternoon, Joopers! Zen, Captain, Sheetler, Sweet, LLassin, Lucky - it's great to see everybody checking in today!

If you're looking for great general-type spoilers about the rest of the season, check out this interview with Damon & Carlton from EW. Good stuff!

Link to Fed's thread:
http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1516783&forumStart=0

Also, in case you missed it, here's a great little Michael Emerson thing. Love this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTCfFy0NCNM

I'm off to get a little nap. I'll see everyone back here in a few!

4.5 hours to go! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 02:25 PM
by: other_voodoo (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2005
VIVA

LA

JOOPALUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY JOOPERS!

C U Around.

I'm strappin on the tin foil after readin that EW interview, WHEW!

I'll be steady lurkin, Miss you all, Love to lucky

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 03:27 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006

VIVA

LA

JOOPALUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great joopalation
there's some celebration beginnin'!

spoiler free - the way i wanna beeeeeee!

lookin' forward to talkin' to you'all about the epi
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 03:42 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
How about some music? One of my favorite songs by the Dire Straits. Dedicated to Juliet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RdH-F_4nPI

Romeo and Juliet

A lovestruck Romeo sings a streetsus serenade
Laying everybody low with a lovesong that he made
Finds a convenient streetlight, steps out of the shade
Says something like 'You and me, babe, how about it?'

Juliet says 'Hey its Romeo! You nearly gimme a heart attack!'
He's underneath the window, she's singing 'hey la my boyfriend's back'
'You shouldn't come around here singing up at people like that.
Anyway, what you gonna do about it?'

Juliet, the dice were loaded from the start
And I bet, and you exploded in my heart
And I forget the movie song
When you gonna realise it was just that the time was wrong, Juliet?

Come up on differents streets, they both walked streets of shame
Both dirty both mean, yes and the dream was just the same
And I dreamed your dream for you and now your dream is real
How can you look at me as if I was just another one of your deals?

Where you can fall for chains of silver, you can fall for chains of gold
You can fall for pretty strangers and the promises they hold
You promised me everything, you promised me thick and thin
Now you just say 'Oh Romeo, yeah you know I used to have a scene with him...'

Juliet, when we made love you used to cry
You said I love you like the stars above Ill love you till I die
There's a place for us--you know the movie song
When you gonna realise it was just that the time was wrong, Juliet?

I can't do the talk like they talk on tv
And I can't do a love song like the way its meant to be
I can't do everything but Id do anything for you
I can't do anything except be in love with you

And all I do is miss you and the way we used to be
All do is keep the beat and bad company
All I do is kiss you through the bars of a rhyme
Julie, I'd do the stars with you any time

Juliet, when we made love you used to cry
You said I love you like the stars above I'll love you till I die
There's a place for us--you know the movie song
When you gonna realise it was just that the time was wrong, Juliet ?

A lovestruck Romeo sings a streetsus serenade
Laying everybody low with a lovesong that he made
Finds a convenient streetlight, steps out of the shade
Says something like, 'You and me, babe, how about it?'
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 04:55 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

VIVA

LA

JOOPALUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY JOOPERS!

C U Around.

I'm strappin on the tin foil after readin that EW interview, WHEW!

I'll be steady lurkin, Miss you all, Love to lucky

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Voodoo! Grab the tinfoil!

Viva la Joopilation!

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 04:57 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Sweet!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 04:59 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

How about some music? One of my favorite songs by the Dire Straits. Dedicated to Juliet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RdH-F_4nPI

Captain! Great song!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 04:59 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Arrrgghhhh! I'm too excited to nap! I'm delirious!

ONE HOUR! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:08 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Took a look at the Mittelos web site.

http://www.mittelosbioscience.org/

Nothing much there yet. You need a password to progress further.

Not long now...........hang on to your tinfoils.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:12 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Took a look at the Mittelos web site.

http://www.mittelosbioscience.org/

Nothing much there yet. You need a password to progress further.

Not long now...........hang on to your tinfoils.

Woah! My tinfoil is already heating and getting puffy at the edges!

Pop...pop...

Pop...pop...pop...

Pop...

Pop...pop...pop...pop....
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:13 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:24 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Woah! My tinfoil is already heating and getting puffy at the edges!

Pop...pop...

Pop...pop...pop...

Pop...

Pop...pop...pop...pop....

Mittleos bioscience

Anagram = Lost time bioscience

Album for Season 3 = Vega 4's You And Others
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:37 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Feels strange: waking up from Lost hibernation. Hope they got the forum oiled up tonight!

I was a little worried watching Boston Legal last night when the first Lost promo hit, and it was a mere 15 sec. burp. I was concerned that the network may be getting ready to wind down, but they had a couple more full minute spots before the show was through.

getting the snacks ready, Joop better open a few more corks!!!!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:43 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:43 PM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005
Have fun Joopers watching the show tonight !!! No more hiatus, no more repeats and no more longing for the show We Love ! WooH HooH ! ~ seek
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:45 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
May I just say how nice it is to hit refresh and see new posts again?

As a west side poster, I'll see you all in a couple of hours. Enjoy!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 05:59 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Sneaker! Seek! Little Rosie!

The champagne corks are flying!

Zen, that's great stuff!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 06:17 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
nearly 4 more hours to wait
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 06:44 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Little or no direct reference to Michael or Walt on the clip show..... Names mentioned but no images. And Boone/Shannon, A/L & Libby?

I guess it's time to only look forward.....
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 06:49 PM
by: filbertsnout (12 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 30, 2006
Hi All,

I am at Lucky's house waiting for the BIG SHOW! I have been studying her evidence of the hidden faces and/or children in head contraptions....

And....

I see them too! ! They are there and they are scary, creepy,and downright icky! I am shocked that the writers/producers etc. have made the effort to insert these images, but they have... and I can't wait for the big reveal so that everyone can share in Lucky's brilliant detective work.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 07:08 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

VIVA

LA

JOOPALUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY JOOPERS!

C U Around.

I'm strappin on the tin foil after readin that EW interview, WHEW!

I'll be steady lurkin, Miss you all, Love to lucky

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((((voodoo))))))

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:16 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
1. Did anyone catch any easter eggs (and the anagram) that's supposed to provide clues about Adam and Eve and about the unfolding mythology?

2. Most bizarre scene ever: Ben conscious and talking face down on the OR table. Wild!

3. Tom says Juliet and Ben have a history. I wonder if it's the relationship we speculated about last fall? Lovers?

4. Juliet in the FB: "I'm not a leader. I'm a mess." What the heck happened to her to change her?

5. The big questions: Why would Julie get her sick sister pregnant? Did the sister have cancer? Was the sister sick as a result of the injections to get pregnant? Was she sick prior? Did the ultrasound images of the 26 year old woman with the 70 year old womb come from the island?

6. Edmund Burke is another philosopher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

7. Ben is Alex's father. Adopted, I presume.

8. I'm falling in love with Tom aka Zeke. He's turning out to be the Other's version of Hurley.

9. Karl. Room 23. Drugs. Music. Goggles. Psychedelic images. Yep. We're ready for the Magic Bus episode.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:17 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Thoughts on the new episode:

1. How Clockwork Orange.... What was THAT all about? Brain washing? And just what little devices have they inserted into Karl's head that will make Lostie beach life tougher? "So Karl! How about a nice game of solitaire?"

2. Parallels between Desmond's precognition and Juliet's "hit by a bus" reference?

3. Were the pregnancy tests Widmore too?

4. Impregnating a woman undergoing Cancer treatments? Is that even remotely safe?

5. I was waiting for this episode to either make me love or hate Juliet, and it left me ambiguous. We've seen her story, but I still wonder: What's her story?

6. Does Rodrigo get paid even though he did not appear in the episode, yet his name was on the "Starring" list?

7. Yeah! They kilt the right person, very annoying and absolutely 2-D. Glad that one was chosen.

8. So Danielle is pregnant BY BEN, WITH Alex before the scientific expedition hits the island? Was Ben part of the group she was with? Is there another child? Could KARL be Danielle's kid? I know scripts point to the child being a boy, but could there be a switcheroo? Would Ben have changed his name? Is it possible to have a Danielle flashback with out Ben showing up? Inquiring minds want to know!

9. So Eko will be back a few times, in dreams/visions/flashbacks? But forget about A/L or even Libby? And Michael/Walt are WAY out of the story line. WHere are those kids from the tail section?

Not bad episode, but they spent so much time trying to convince NEW fans that there was enough story & drama for them, I wonder if they haven't fallen over themselves trying to please everyone.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:20 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
10. Speaking of the Magic Bus, how did Edmund Burke get in the path of that oncoming bus? It appeared he was stepping backwards, but still, that didn't seem physically possible. Mittelos did it, but how?
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:26 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all! How weird was that brainwashing scene? Did anyone catch the part about God and Jacob? I need to watch that again.
I wonder if someone else will go through it, and the new recruits will "watch."
Maybe the history Juliet and Ben have together is related to her impregnating him?
Not in Portland...that's for sure.

I agree, Bg - I'm starting to love Tom.

I'm still partial to the idea that Danielle was originally one of Them, helped children escape, and had part of her memory replaced with the story we know. It would explain so many of the inconsistencies, particulary the "What would have happened if we were rescued? I couldn't let that happen...I wont!" line. Maybe she and Ben used to be together. That's why she somehow knew he was one of Them, even though she didn't really remember him.
Wouldn't it be cool if Danielle was born on the island too?

Episode didn't really blow me away, but it was a nice solid start to the season.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:35 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
<<>>

While I agree, a good start on the season, and not a spectACular epsode, it was neat getting that feeling at the end: I WANT MORE!!!!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:38 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Thoughts on the new episode:

1. How Clockwork Orange.... What was THAT all about? Brain washing? And just what little devices have they inserted into Karl's head that will make Lostie beach life tougher? "So Karl! How about a nice game of solitaire?"

2. Parallels between Desmond's precognition and Juliet's "hit by a bus" reference?

3. Were the pregnancy tests Widmore too?

4. Impregnating a woman undergoing Cancer treatments? Is that even remotely safe?

5. I was waiting for this episode to either make me love or hate Juliet, and it left me ambiguous. We've seen her story, but I still wonder: What's her story?

6. Does Rodrigo get paid even though he did not appear in the episode, yet his name was on the "Starring" list?

7. Yeah! They kilt the right person, very annoying and absolutely 2-D. Glad that one was chosen.

8. So Danielle is pregnant BY BEN, WITH Alex before the scientific expedition hits the island? Was Ben part of the group she was with? Is there another child? Could KARL be Danielle's kid? I know scripts point to the child being a boy, but could there be a switcheroo? Would Ben have changed his name? Is it possible to have a Danielle flashback with out Ben showing up? Inquiring minds want to know!

9. So Eko will be back a few times, in dreams/visions/flashbacks? But forget about A/L or even Libby? And Michael/Walt are WAY out of the story line. WHere are those kids from the tail section?

Not bad episode, but they spent so much time trying to convince NEW fans that there was enough story & drama for them, I wonder if they haven't fallen over themselves trying to please everyone.

Hi Sneaker,

I found a good gloss of Clockwork Orange a while back. I think Karl and Alex are playing out the themes of Order in Society vs. Freedom of Choice. The indoctrination seemed to be an attempt to get Karl back on the orderly society path.
http://www.sparknotes.com/film/clockworkorange/themes.html

You ask the same questions as I about the sick sister. Was she just an available "lab rat" with nothing to lose? Did she want a pregnancy that badly? Did the impregnation treatment, itself, make her sick? I don't get it.

LOL, I'm not sure if Ben is Alex's biological father. I'll reserve judgement on this one.

Hooray for Eko's return, even if it's only in a vision.

I was a little underwhelmed with this episode. I still don't like Juliet, even though they were trying to make her sympathetic. Showing her as a victim of her callous ex-husband did little to make her likeable, IMHO. I think she's much more interesting when she's shooting people.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:48 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Why is it always three minutes with the Others? Most people just say, "Can I have a minute alone to speak with _______?"

Juliet's been on the island 3 years, 2 months, 28 days. So she arrived on Sept 11, 2001? All the planes in North America were grounded, so she must have left the day before and then crossed the international dateline, perhaps.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 08:53 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi all! How weird was that brainwashing scene? Did anyone catch the part about God and Jacob? I need to watch that again.
I wonder if someone else will go through it, and the new recruits will "watch."

Hi Lucky, good question about the indoctrination scene. I caught something about God and Jacob, but I'll have to wait for the screen caps to go up. Taken at face value, most of the images I caught were fairly benign - very different from all those raw livers and such that were in the Lost Experience clips. But the totality of the images and their forced imposition upon Karl with the aid of the intravenous drugs, the music, etc, made each benign image very sinister.
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 07:19 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I think the boss looks pregnant.

HILARIOUS LINK!

Hi Filbertsnout!
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 07:22 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
GN solves the mystery of the strange woman peeking through the door of the Hydra Operating Room. No, it wasn't the infamous ghost-nanny.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64423
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 02:49 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Tuesday!

1 day
16 hours
15 minutes
23 seconds

I've just now realized what's been missing this year - tons of fake/fan websites! Remember Mr. Clucks and Big UFO and all those crazy websites?

Well, here we go again! Courtesy of the TailSection.

http://www.mittelosbioscience.org/

http://www.thetailsection.com/

Is a new LOST Arg in the works? Or is this just another clever fan-site? Special thanks to Zack for sending us the following information:

The title for this next show is "not in Portland", referring to Portland, OR. Well, I happen to live in Oregon, and in the TV click section of the newspaper, there was an article in which the author wrote that there's a company in the Portland suburbs called Mittelos Bioscience. He said if you happen do stumble upon it, do NOT go in there. Well, that got me curious, so I emailed him asking where I could find Mittelos Bioscience, and he just said it's somewhere in the Portland suburbs and would pop up in the Lost episode on Wednesday... (2/7).
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 07:54 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Re: Phantom lady.

Feels good to have at least a minor mystery solved, doesn't it?

Message was edited by: LncshrLassinMI because I forgot to quote.
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 07:58 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Re: New mystery website

Sounds interesting, but I need a LOST "fix" before embarking on another search for clues, lol!

Message was edited by: LncshrLassinMI......ditto.
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 10:13 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

GN solves the mystery of the strange woman peeking through the door of the Hydra Operating Room. No, it wasn't the infamous ghost-nanny.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64423

I love production stills. They make people think crazy things.
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 10:52 AM
by: Daddio_of_4 (1189 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 07, 2006
sung to The Police - Message in a Bottle

Just a day away, time to set my TIVO.
Another lostie day, with no one here but me, oh
More loneliness than any man could bear
Rescue me before I fall into despair, oh

I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah

A year has passed since I last watched Lost
But I should have known this right from the start
Only hope can keep me together
Lost can mend your life but
Lost can break your heart

I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah

Walked out this morning, don't believe what I saw
Hundred million threads washed up on the board
Seems I'm not alone in being alone
Hundred million lostaways, looking for a show

I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah

Message on the Lost Boards, yeah
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah

Sending out at an S.O.S.
Sending out at an S.O.S.
Sending out at an S.O.S.
Sending out at an S.O.S.
Sending out at an S.O.S.
Sending out at an S.O.S...
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 11:12 AM
by: oldpolitico (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 06, 2005

But with that said, I guess I've grown to accept that a lot of the stuff on LOST will never make scientific sense. As a man of science, this was depressing at first, especially given TPTB's statement that everything could be explained through science or psuedo-science. But somehow I've learned to overlook a lot of the really fuzzy science stuff and just go with the flow.

While I'm waxing on philosophically, I must say that I think it's a mistake to take a mechanistic approach to LOST, even though I did so myself the first season and part of last season. I don't think it's a puzzle, nor do I think it's something in which the whole can be divised from an examination of its individual tiny pieces.

Instead, I think we'll only understand this and be able to make a fully coherent story when all is said and done.

Been away for a week, BG, and ran across your post, catching up.

I'm glad to see another Lost fanatic say such a thing. I, frankly, have resigned myself to the assumption that there is no "explanation" - that there's nothing to "figure out". It's entertainment. For the first couple seasons, I really thought Lost was a puzzle that could be solved. But now I believe that, either by design or by necessity, TPTB write a storyline that simply cannot be understood, no matter how fastidiously one examines the details.

It's simply not designed to "understand". Someone in the old Tao thread postulated that the show is meant to be an experiential thing. Perhaps so.

But I'm itching to get back to watching it. I absolutely love the show, and will continue to wonder and struggle to make sense of it all.

How many days to go?
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 01:05 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LLassin: Re: Phantom lady. Feels good to have at least a minor mystery solved, doesn't it?

Yes it does!

LLassin: Re: New mystery website. Sounds interesting, but I need a LOST "fix" before embarking on another search for clues, lol!

LOL, I know what you mean. I have a hunch this is a fan thing, but I could be wrong. I kinda hope it's legit. I enjoyed the old Hanso website a lot. We'll have to wait, watch, and see.
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 01:06 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I love production stills. They make people think crazy things.

LMAO! Indeed they do, Captain. Actually, just about everything related to LOST makes me think crazy things. Need I revisit the pregnant man thing again?
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 01:08 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Daddio:

I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I'll post an S.O.S. to the world
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
I hope that someone gets my
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah
Message on the Lost Boards, yeah

Great song, Daddio!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 01:20 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Been away for a week, BG, and ran across your post, catching up.

I'm glad to see another Lost fanatic say such a thing. I, frankly, have resigned myself to the assumption that there is no "explanation" - that there's nothing to "figure out". It's entertainment. For the first couple seasons, I really thought Lost was a puzzle that could be solved. But now I believe that, either by design or by necessity, TPTB write a storyline that simply cannot be understood, no matter how fastidiously one examines the details.

It's simply not designed to "understand". Someone in the old Tao thread postulated that the show is meant to be an experiential thing. Perhaps so.

But I'm itching to get back to watching it. I absolutely love the show, and will continue to wonder and struggle to make sense of it all.

How many days to go?

Hi Old Politico!

I'm inclined to agree that it's an experiential thing. I enjoy it most when I experience it as a process, the creative process of the writers, without thinking too much about the final destination. The other thing I love is the huge surprises they spring on us - the four toed statue is a perfect example. No amount of theorizing or prognosticating could have predicted that!

Which isn't to say I don't enjoy trying to peek around the next corner. I do that all the time and I enjoy it tremendously. But given that TPTB have flat out stated that not enough of the big picture has been revealed for people to arrive at a "grand theory," I figure why frustrate myself? Most of the "big ideas" I post on here are of the tin foil hat variety. Hopefully they're fun and entertaining, and hopefully they're coherent and logical, but if they turn out to be true - that's just the cherry on top.

Only one more day to go! Like you, I am thrilled about the new episodes and I can't wait to see what's in store during the coming months. I love this show!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 01:33 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
For Captain: Magic Turtles redux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRp8N5jS3R4

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Posted: Feb 06 @ 04:22 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

For Captain: Magic Turtles redux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRp8N5jS3R4

Thanks! That is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE!!!

What if...Locke and Kate...SWITCH BRAINS?!!!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 04:31 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Thanks! That is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE!!!

What if...Locke and Kate...SWITCH BRAINS?!!!

LMAO!

Captain, they've resolved that flight time problem!

So there's this witch and she casts a spell on the whole island....and....and....it makes everything go backward for two and a half years!!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 04:37 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

LMAO!

Captain, they've resolved that flight time problem!

So there's this witch and she casts a spell on the whole island....and....and....it makes everything go backward for two and a half years!!

That is something we have not considered--GN was right!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 04:56 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

That is something we have not considered--GN was right!

Indeed!

Speaking of something we haven't considered...

Before meeting Rose, Bernard sings solo karaoke in his basement wearing a tea cozy on his head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vi_whcH-yU
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 06:14 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
From Greg Nations

Re: Mittelos Bioscience

GN: That is not an official website. What is it counting down to? The day of a new Lost epsiode? I'm not sure what they plan on doing with it, but it certainly won't have any secrets or inside information.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=68245
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 07:12 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
The Night Before Lost

‘Twas the night before LOST
And all through the house
Not a keyboard was clacking
Not even a mouse.

The theories were posted
In threads with great care
In hopes that some answers
Soon would be aired.

The Joopers were nestled
All snug in their beds
While visions of smoke monsters
Danced in their heads.

And Joop in his smoking jacket,
And I in my cap,
Had just settled down
For a long winter's nap,

When over on the Fuselage
There arose such a clatter,
I sprang to my computer
To see what was the matter.

Away to the desk I flew like a flash -
And sat close to the monitor and dumped the old cache.

The glow on the screen, all eerie black and green,
Made me think for a moment I was in a submarine,

When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a bunch of answered questions just before the premiere.

Lots of wait, watch, and see - but few revelations.
I knew in a moment it must be Gregg Nations.

More rapid than eagles his answers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, Sawyer! now, Jin! now, Desmond and Hurley!
On, Jack! on Sayid! on, Locke, Kate, and Charlie!

To the top of the ratings! There’s no time to stall!
Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!"

Happy LOST Premiere, everyone!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 08:47 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006
happy LOST day joopers (a little ahead)!

((bg)) you are the best
Lots of wait, watch, and see - but few revelations.
I knew in a moment it must be Gregg Nations
true genius!

feelin' the love you'all everybody!
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Posted: Feb 06 @ 10:57 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
OMG The Day is Here!!!!!

We made it!!!

Happy Lost Day, everyone! I'm turning my tv on now and settling in! See you all soon!

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 02:01 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy LOST Wednesday!

OMG! 17 hours!

Wait!! I forgot!! There's a recap special at 9:00!!!!

Make that 16 hours!

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

KATE! DAMMIT! RUN!
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 02:08 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
From Dark UFO

Spoilery sort of

S
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Carlton Cuse on the clues hidden in the show:
"It’s a testament to our fans that only one clue we put in got missed. And it was something we hid so small, a tiny message hidden in a billboard. Other than that, people have figured everything out. I will say that there’s something hidden in tonight’s show. There’s an anagram that’s a clue to what’s coming up."

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/02/cuse-hosts-harvard-screening.html
That would be the Widmore billboard last year, correct? Or, heaven help us, is he talking about another billboard clue we missed? But LOL, here we go with the anagrams again.

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Posted: Feb 07 @ 03:51 AM
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Superpowers?!

New vid clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4eLE1K8sFA
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 07:09 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

The night before Lost

Brilliant, BG.

Happy LOST Day, Joopers!
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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Carlton Cuse on the clues hidden in the show:
"It’s a testament to our fans that only one clue we put in got missed. And it was something we hid so small, a tiny message hidden in a billboard."

Guess that finally answers the question 'What did we miss in the pilot episode.' Either nothing, or something on a billboard.
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Posted: Feb 07 @ 09:48 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
The Night Before Lost

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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Happy Lost Wednesday!

BG, your Night Before Lost was excellent!

Daddio, loved your parody of Message in a Bottle!

Been super busy in real world, but can't wait for tonight!!!

P.S. Parallel Worlds explains time travel, but how can flight 815 make it through black holes, or travel the speed of light?
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P.S. Parallel Worlds explains time travel, but how can flight 815 make it through black holes, or travel the speed of light?

Exactly!
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Superpowers?!

New vid clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4eLE1K8sFA

Oh foo! Last week I was reading a book about the history of comic books. In it they mentioned a character from The Fantastic 4 early in the series who was called HIM. His name was later changed but I don't remember what his new name was.

I'll have to go look it up. It's bugging me.

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17 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

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Posted: Feb 04 @ 06:23 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LOL, Captain, don't give up on the magic turtles - surely if we can have a four-toed statue we can have some magic turtles.
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LOL, Captain, don't give up on the magic turtles - surely if we can have a four-toed statue we can have some magic turtles.

I think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have 4 toes--By Joop, Holmes, you've cracked the case!!!

Just checked, they've only got 2 toes--must be some other magic turtles...

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I think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have 4 toes--By Joop, Holmes, you've cracked the case!!!

Just checked, they've only got 2 toes--must be some other magic turtles...

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LOL!

Captain, I had this crazy tinfoil idea today about what the island is. What if it's a tomb? An ancient burial place? I keep thinking about that scene in Watchmen in which Adrian describes how Ramses and the pharoahs, upon their death and in order to keep their secrets safe, buried their servants alive by filling up their tombs with sand. Maybe the ancients thought the island was a good place for burial because of its magnetic properties or its rejuvenating properties or something.

The smoke monster could have originated as a security system for the buried ancients. Ben and perhaps some of the Others could be descendents of some ancient tomb keepers, perhaps.

Wow, I've used up a lot of tinfoil lately. I'd better save some for the premiere.
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The smoke monster could have originated as a security system for the buried ancients. Ben and perhaps some of the Others could be descendents of some ancient tomb keepers, perhaps.

I'm liking this one! I've always thought that maybe the Others were on the island in order to protect something from the world. Guarding the underground tomb of something ancient is a very cool possibility.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

The smoke monster could have originated as a security system for the buried ancients. Ben and perhaps some of the Others could be descendents of some ancient tomb keepers, perhaps.

I'm liking this one! I've always thought that maybe the Others were on the island in order to protect something from the world. Guarding the underground tomb of something ancient is a very cool possibility.

Captain, I keep thinking that "Underworld," the heiroglyphics, and "Cerebrus" should add up to something, and an ancient burial place sort of does the math. But maybe not. Time will tell.
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by: Dolphin_in_the_Raw (47 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 04, 2007
Hi OINGO!!! pardon me I LOST a bet and have to streak thru the threads
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by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Now I wonder if the pilot is Jacob. I think he's still alive. I've gone off the deep end, conspiracy-wise.
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Hi OINGO!!! pardon me I LOST a bet and have to streak thru the threads

Woah!
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Now I wonder if the pilot is Jacob. I think he's still alive. I've gone off the deep end, conspiracy-wise.

Hi Lucky, does this mean Jacob aka the Pilot had the list all along, before he died? No - wait - you say he's still alive?! How did he come back to life? I know he didn't get a proper burial, but he looked pretty dead up in that tree. Oh dear me!
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 02:43 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Monday!

2 days
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 05:18 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Spoiler talk

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So Juliet impregnates a male mouse and gets recruited to go to the island...

OMG! OF MICE AND MEN!

Ben: A guy goes nuts if he ain't got nobody. It don't make no difference who the guy is, long as he's with you. I tell ya. I tell ya...a guy gets too lonely and he gets sick.
Sawyer: What the hell are you talking about?
Ben: It's from "Of Mice and Men." Don't you read?

OMG! Ben is really preggers! But, but, who's the daddy? Is he the mama or the daddy? Wait, he's neither. He's an oyster! Ben is an oyster with a pearl inside!!!

Electric sparks shoot out of bg's head. Smoke alarms go off throughout the Joop Castle...

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by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
BARGAIN MATINEE: Neighbors sell tickets as woman's head explodes as regularly as Old Faithful...

SPOILER REPLY:

Amanda: "Haven't you fixed the plumbing yet?
Ethan: "It's a work in progress."

Were they impregnating Ben when they took fluids from Claire?

Ben: "Got milk?"

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Posted: Feb 05 @ 06:31 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

Re: SPOILER:
Bg, I'm going to add this to the Rebellious Rabbits thread on the Fuselage (and credit you, of course) -- I hope that's okay. If you haven't seen that thread, you should take a look at the last few pages. And look up "parthenogenesis."
YIKES!
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Re: SPOILER:
Bg, I'm going to add this to the Rebellious Rabbits thread on the Fuselage (and credit you, of course) -- I hope that's okay. If you haven't seen that thread, you should take a look at the last few pages. And look up "parthenogenesis."
YIKES!

Hi Lucky, take a look at this website.

http://www.malepregnancy.com/

I think it's a hoax, but who can be sure? Mr. Lee is an artist and this could be some sort of performance piece. But maybe it's on the level?! Nah, I would have heard of this. It would be all over the news. Hoax. But still very intriguing.

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Your point about what the Other doctors were after is a good one. They could have been harvesting Claire's pregnancy hormones. Moreover, if any of the above tinfoil speculating about Ben being pregnant is true, then the Other doctors may have not been planning to take Aaron, as we originally assumed, but something very different. In fact, Aaron and Claire may have been beside the point. The doctors may have been after only Claire's (Aaron's) placenta and the placental connection tube thingy in order to implant it in Ben.

I recall we speculated quite a bit about why Alex was so convinced Claire would die from a simple C-Section. "You're going to die. They're going to cut him out of you." Would harvesting a placenta be more life-threatening than a C-Section? Or maybe they just didn't care if Claire and Aaron lived or not.

This is getting more bizarre by the minute.

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BTW, that Rabbits thread looks pretty crazy. This stuff should fit right in.
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 09:57 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Hi OINGO!!! pardon me I LOST a bet and have to streak thru the threads

I was wondering what you were up to!
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I was wondering what you were up to!

LOL, Hi Captain. We had a streaker last night. I think that's a Joop Castle first, unless you count the time Joop ran down the hall in his bathrobe.

But back to the flight time discrepancy. Here's a couple more thoughts on the sorry mess.

1. Quite possibly the writers/production team just blew it. In their enthusiasm to work the numbers into every little thing they created an unresolvable mess. If this is true they should just come clean with a quick "Oops! Sorry fans!" and then we can all move on. They've made goofs before - Jin's ID card I think - and both the show and we fans survived.

2. That TPTB are not forthcoming with an "Oops! Sorry fans!" on this makes me inclined to take it seriously as a legit plot element. Maybe there is a way to account for the time mess we haven't thought of.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
More on the flight time discrepancy. I downloaded a Sun Clock map maker and then set it to show those areas of the world in daylight if it were 10:00 pm in Sydney, Australia. (The plane left at approx 2:00 pm and I'm assuming for the sake of having something to work with it was in the air approx 8 hours, thus, 10:00 pm Sydney time.)

Forgetting the 4:16 island time thing for the moment, if the plane were in flight anywhere near 6-8 hours, THE ENTIRE PACIFIC, INCLUDING ALL OF NORTH AMERICA AND HALF OF SOUTH AMERICA WOULD HAVE BEEN IN TOTAL DARKNESS.

The only part of the Pacific that would have been in daylight would have been the very southernmost part, near Anarctica.

What was in daylight, however, was the entire Indian Ocean, Western Asia, Europe, Africa, and the South Atlantic Ocean. About half of the Northern Atlantic was in daylight.

wtf?

Here's the website if anyone wants to download one of the free map making thingys.
http://www.mapmaker.com/shadowfacts/sunclock6.asp#version6.5
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by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
Maybe the thing GN says that nobody mentioned is that they would have been scheduled to land in Los Angeles well before 4:26 on the same day the left. Here's some Quantas flights from Sydney to LAX which is a 13hr 25 min flight:

Dep (Sydney time) Arrival (PST) Flight #

10:00 07:00 QF175
11:35 06:00 QF149
12:05 06:30 QF107
15:20 09:45 QF11

If they left at 15:20 which is later than they actually left they could have landed in LA at 9:45. Because they cross the dateline going east they arrive the same day they left.
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2. That TPTB are not forthcoming with an "Oops! Sorry fans!" on this makes me inclined to take it seriously as a legit plot element. Maybe there is a way to account for the time mess we haven't thought of.

I am inclined to think it was a mistake that was so glaring (what with AL's speech about the 2 hour potty break) they felt they had to make it work somehow. GN's saying it is something that no one has thought of yet I find very difficult to believe.

We've thought of everything, Gregbaby!

I don't think the time snafu can be explained scientifically. Magic turtles, parthenogenic mice, worm holes and smoke monsters are to blame! There! The truth at last!
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Maybe the thing GN says that nobody mentioned is that they would have been scheduled to land in Los Angeles well before 4:26 on the same day the left. Here's some Quantas flights from Sydney to LAX which is a 13hr 25 min flight:

Dep (Sydney time) Arrival (PST) Flight #

10:00 07:00 QF175
11:35 06:00 QF149
12:05 06:30 QF107
15:20 09:45 QF11

If they left at 15:20 which is later than they actually left they could have landed in LA at 9:45. Because they cross the dateline going east they arrive the same day they left.

Hi Lost Duckie, are you saying that the plane crashed near Los Angeles after a 13 hour flight? Sorry, but I'm confused.
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2. That TPTB are not forthcoming with an "Oops! Sorry fans!" on this makes me inclined to take it seriously as a legit plot element. Maybe there is a way to account for the time mess we haven't thought of.

I am inclined to think it was a mistake that was so glaring (what with AL's speech about the 2 hour potty break) they felt they had to make it work somehow. GN's saying it is something that no one has thought of yet I find very difficult to believe.

We've thought of everything, Gregbaby!

I don't think the time snafu can be explained scientifically. Magic turtles, parthenogenic mice, worm holes and smoke monsters are to blame! There! The truth at last!

Hi Captain, we may not have thought of everything, but it sure feels that way. This is starting to hurt my brain.

Okay, again forgetting about the 4:16 island time thing for the moment, I've been playing with the Sun Clock program I downloaded to find our how many hours the plane would have needed to be "in the air" in order to crash somewhere in the Pacific during daylight.

If the plane took off at approx 2:00 pm Sydney time, it would have had to be "in the air" for a minimum of 14-15 hours to be able to crash in the South Pacific in daylight. More likely, it was "in the air" for longer than that because 14-15 hours puts it crashing very close to Australia at daybreak.

Argggghhhh!

Captain, I think you're right. A magic turtle did it!
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Well here's a small comfort from GN, who is answering some more questions even as I speak. He reconfirms that once someone is dead on the island they stay dead.

CrazyLatin: We have seen countless times evidence that Jack's father is dead, yet because his body is missing, people keep coming up with wacky theories as to which character is going to turn out to be Christian Shephard, and it's driving me crazy!!!

First, his body wasn't on the plane but the airline tricked Jack into thinking that he was, then Christian is Alvar Hanso; wait, no, he's HIM (the one Benry talks about while imprisioned in the hatch). No, no, no, no, Christian is the doctor Pickett is talking about in 306, when the alarm sounds and he asks "Did the doctor get out again?". But wait, maybe Christian is Jacob, the one who made the list w/o Jack's name on it..... One of these days someone is going to say Christian Shephard is the Polar Bear

So, once and for all, would you kindly but firmly confirm Christian Shephard is dead? (I'm begging on my knees here)

GN: Damon has said when people die on this show, they are dead. (Of course until the zombie season that is. Ha ha.) Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby haven't come back, so I would think it's safe to say Christian is dead. Perhaps his body flew into the ocean and the shark ate it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64817
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by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
No, I was saying that the 4:26 time on the same day they left for the crash is so far off they could have gone on to LA, waited for lost luggage, rented a car, driven thru LA traffic and visited Disneyland by 4:26 since they would have arrived that morning at 9. And that's not counting that the flight was cut short from 13.5 hours to 8 when it crashed.

It think the Captain has it, Magic turtles!
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 05:06 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

No, I was saying that the 4:26 time on the same day they left for the crash is so far off they could have gone on to LA, waited for lost luggage, rented a car, driven thru LA traffic and visited Disneyland by 4:26 since they would have arrived that morning at 9. And that's not counting that the flight was cut short from 13.5 hours to 8 when it crashed.

It think the Captain has it, Magic turtles!

LOL! I get it now. Thanks for explaining, Lost Duckie. I think I'm permanently brain damaged from this whole thing.

Viva la Magic Turtles!
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Here we go again. Please read the entire question - it includes the original Damon quote from long ago.

Alicia: ....So, for us theorists out there, can you say once and for all, whether the show is truely "firmly ensconced in the world of science fact" as Damon said it is?

GN: I think Damon's response still holds up. It may not be the science of right now, but it's definitely within the limits of theoretical science. For me, good science fiction seems to be fiction based in science fact.

Have you ever read the Red Mars series? It's a great example of fiction set in hard science. A lot of the events that happen in the book we couldn't do yet but the possibility is there. Maybe just decades away. And of course look at 2001. A really fascinating story on a philosophical level and a good story based on scientific fact. Space ships have never looked so realistic, and it holds up nearly 30 years later (if the heavy breathing section doesn't put you to sleep first).

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67240

Okay. I get it. It's anything the writers think may become science fact at some unknown point in the future. Yep. Got it. Pretty much anything in their wild and crazy imagination.
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Posted: Feb 05 @ 05:40 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Have you guys seen the Rolling Rock Man Thong ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPz6XPZ6a0
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Zen wanders into the thread, drops off this link, and wonders what's in the water.....

Everybody's doing it, even the Governator

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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Have you guys seen the Rolling Rock Man Thong ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPz6XPZ6a0

Oh my!
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by: filbertsnout (12 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 30, 2006

Oh my!

I think the boss looks pregnant.

HILARIOUS LINK!
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Zen wanders into the thread, drops off this link, and wonders what's in the water.....

Everybody's doing it, even the Governator

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LMAO! Zen, I hope it's not something in those Hoya de Monterrey Petite Robustos that Arnie and Joop like to smoke.
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16 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

A few juicy tidbits from Gregg Nations.

The flight time contradiction - it seems we've missed something.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67462
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67400

Since people are already fainting and having their heads explode, I may as well add this. Regarding the flight time discrepancy, GN agrees that it's a mess but he mentions that there's something else no one has taken into consideration.

GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?

This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.

Some ideas:

1. Time passes differently on the island. Okay. No big news, here. This idea has been tossed around forever.

2. ???? I'm stumped.

*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.
*Flying the normal route from Sydney to LA would have taken them on a course roughly SE to NW and toward darkness.
*Press releases confirm the show is somewhere in the South Pacific.
*Interesting to note that GN did not mention in either post whether the crashed occurred during the AM or the PM, he only confirmed that it occurred at 4:16 island time.

What are we missing?

But what if the flight crashed at 4:16 AM and not PM. What if it crashed in a locale where it's daylight at 4:16 AM? Anarctica?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:29 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky:
Hi all. Luckily, the sub-zero temperature saved my exploding head. The pieces froze in mid-air and I was able to pick them back up and put them back together like a frozen puzzle. I did get a glimpse of some strange contents and a few stray wires, but that's neither here nor there.

Bg, I love the Penny Widmore idea, although I'm not sure how HIM could be a HER. Maybe HIM is an acronym. Hermaphrodite Island Monarch? LOL.

I still think Bernard could be Jacob/Him/Adrian, but I'm also inclined to think that Mr. Paik is a possibility. He sits in that office watching the "eye" of the island on those plasma screens. It's like a Bang & Olafson version of the Pearl. Speaking of which, why did Sun have the whole thing with the pearl necklace? I wonder what that means.

I love that Watchmen quote, Bg. It's perfect for the Others, you're right.

And I know that this is heretical, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Danielle really may have had parts of her memory erased and replaced with the story she tells. There's no proof of this, of course, but my new theory is that she was one of the original leaders or founders, and broke from the group to help a group of the kids (including our castaways - I know, I know, roll your eyes) escape. Remember how we used to go over and over her lines, and nothing we could come up with as a scenario really fit? Just think about some of them, and the inconsistencies, from that angle.
-She does know the others, very well, but doesn't know she knows.
-The broadcast, made during the escape, before her memory was erased, was as she was waiting for rescue with the kids.
-Kidnapping Aaron, and waiting on the beach in vain with him after she saw the black smoke, was a complete waste of time.
-the traveling eight months pregnant, thge missing boat, the delivering the baby herself...all a story she was conditioned to repeat
"See you in the next life, if not in this one" sparked a vague memory - it's what they tell people before they deprogram them
-she was conditioned to be violently opposed to the idea of rescue, at all costs (that's what she did wrong in the first place)
-even this: "The firing pin has been removed. Robert didn't notice it was gone when I shot him..." Maybe the firing pin in the gun she used had always been gone, and she never really killed anyone, she was just told she did

I know you're not of the conspiracy persuasion, but just consider it.
(Oops, forgot to replace that one last piece of my frozen head

Hi Lucky, I'm glad you could save your exploding head pieces, but I can't believe you're making heretical comments about Danielle! What happened to you while you were over at the Fuselage? Did they brainwash you? Was it that dastardly Mittelwerk?

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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Zen's head is whirling...eyes start to open....

Whoa! That would definitely be a specific reason Ben didn't want any outside doctors!

Exactly! If they could get off the island, then why wouldn't Ben just go to Johns Hopkins and have his tumor removed like any normal sane person would do? While this pregnancy idea is pretty farfetched, in light of the spoiler it makes sense, IMHO.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Lucky! Oh dear! Help is on the way....BG grab the mop, I'll get the wigs and smelling salts...

Oh no! Not again!

Zen, I got the mop. Lucky, are you okay?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:40 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?

This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.

He says it's 'a mess' like it is was a continuity mistake. I believe that. Maybe now they've made up a reason to explain this snafu.

*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.

Logically, with just these facts in mind, I wonder if the plane crashed after 8 hours in flight but they were flying in the wrong direction. So it was 10:16 Sidney time and 4:16 island time. No clue why the pilot and AL experienced the time differently. The original 'explanation' of AL's 2 hour speech was that she was 'confused'. I don't know what to believe about this though.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?

This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.

He says it's 'a mess' like it is was a continuity mistake. I believe that. Maybe now they've made up a reason to explain this snafu.

*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.

Logically, with just these facts in mind, I wonder if the plane crashed after 8 hours in flight but only 2 hours out of Sidney. So it was 10:16 Sidney time and 4:16 island time. They were flying in the wrong direction for almost all of the flight. No clue why the pilot and AL experienced the time differently. The original 'explanation' of AL's 2 hour speech was that she was 'confused'. I don't know what to believe about this though.

Hi Captain, I agree that this could have been a continuity mess and now they're trying to write themselves out of it. As for AL's confusion about the time, she was drinking a bit before the plane left so maybe she was confused. I dunno. This whole thing frustrates me because everytime I revisit it I just get more confused, myself.

Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think. Regardless of how long they had been in the air, if they were two hours from Sydney they would be at most maybe two or three time zones away. So it couldn't have been 4:16, I don't think. Or maybe I'm confused again.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:12 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think.

I was confused. I corrected this statement. ^^^ I meant to say they flew 8 hours in the wrong direction and crashed at 10:16 Sydney time/4:16 island time. I hope that makes sense. The more I try to explain, the less sense it makes.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think.

I was confused. I corrected this statement. ^^^ I meant to say they flew 8 hours in the wrong direction and crashed at 10:16 Sydney time/4:16 island time. I hope that makes sense. The more I try to explain, the less sense it makes.

LOL, Captain, I'm getting a headache from all this math and that damn international dateline isn't helping. However, I did discover that McMurdo Station in Anarctica is only 2 time zones ahead of Sydney.

So if the plane flew for 8 hours, and if it was 10:16 pm Sydney time, it would be 8:16 pm Anarctica time. Nowhere near 4:16.

Here's a handy dandy time zone converter to play with, if you're so inclined.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:36 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Here's a handy dandy time zone converter to play with, if you're so inclined.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

I think I need to take a walk...
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I think I need to take a walk...

Me too.
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by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
What the captain said about traveling the other directions explains the time differences perfectly. Really They gain time going west so it explains how they can spend so much time in the air yet not much relative clock time passes. This puts them somewhere in the Indian Ocean which is close to Sri Lanka which is interesting because the ship in the LE was there, along with villages that were mentioned were close. Mittlewerk and his group were definitely active in this part of the world but two things that don't make sense now are in the LE the Black Rock sails east from East Timor I think and is never heard from again. This tends to put in the south Pacific not in the Indian Ocean. More importantly if the plane were going in this direction then that means the pilot was in on it from the beginning. I've never bought the conspiracy theory that they were all brought there but for those that do this makes the time discrepancy work out by having them go east.

I recently bought a DVD of the first season of the old series "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and they had an episode where they discovered a hidden tropical world inside Antarctica populated by natives that sailed there from the southern tip of South America. A volcano kept it warm and tropical and the glaciers around would help keep it warm also. One thing they didn't address was the sun and the length of days in Antarctica. In Lost there could be foreshadowing with the hatch with it's artificial daylight, that they are in a artificial environment around the whole island. One thing I found strange but I think now was just for the look, was the geodesic dome. It's really to make these waterproof with all the separate panels. What they do well though is hold up under large weights like massive amounts of snow that stays frozen. Still with any Antarctica location you have the same problem of the pilot heading intentionally in the wrong direction.

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by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
cont...

Another idea is that they're using ideas from string theory involving alternate universes. This isn't as far out as it sounds. I think Zen mentioned starting a book on this earlier and there's another one by Lisa Randall called Warped Passages. Also in "The Elegant Universe" Brian Greene talks about his too. You can watch this here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

There one section in the 3rd hour called Parallel Universes. In this case island time would reflect the position of the sun in this universe which isn't the same sun and universe as they started out in. I don't have clue how the Others can get in and out of parallel universe, communicate outside, and how the plane and others got there. One thing that does seem to fit though is then you see the tree's being pulled up sometimes. If you watch the section called "Escaping Gravity" he talks about gravity being a much weaker force than the other forces. The reason may be that gravity is leaking into these parallel universes. The chaos that they sometimes see where the jungle is ripped apart could be the writers interpretation of what happens if you're in an alternate universe and gravity leaks in attracting trees.

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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

What the captain said about traveling the other directions explains the time differences perfectly. Really They gain time going west so it explains how they can spend so much time in the air yet not much relative clock time passes. This puts them somewhere in the Indian Ocean which is close to Sri Lanka which is interesting because the ship in the LE was there, along with villages that were mentioned were close.

Hi Lost Duckie, I'm open to the idea that they're in the Indian Ocean and Sri Lanka. The only problem is the press releases state they're in the South Pacific.

The parallel universe idea is intriguing, too, and it would go a long way to explain some of the inexplicable phenomena. But unfortunately I think the show is simpler than string theory and parallel universes. Of course I could be wrong.

I'm wondering if the explanation is as simple as all the clocks and watches on the plane were off because of the island's EM force even before the sky went purple. AL, Cindy, and the Pilot all seemed to have different ideas about how much time had passed, and without accurate clocks to tell us how much time has passed we each experience the passing of time subjectively. For example, an hour waiting for LOST to come on can seem like a day. But when the show actually comes in it seems to be over in minutes.

But even this "simple" explanation doesn't account for how they could leave Sydney at 2:00 something and crash at 4:16 on the island and it be daylight - unless they'd been flying around for more than 24 hours.

This is a puzzle for sure, and frankly I'm stumped.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 12:39 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LOL! I just thought of something.

The writers have boxed themselves into a corner with what are probably continuity errors, but by putting it out that there's something "we haven't considered" they are leaving it to some bright message board poster to figure out an explanation that gets them out of the mess.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 12:39 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Bg, what I'm saying about Danielle isn't excatly heretical, if you think about it. I believe in her completely, and I do not think she's lying. all I'm saying is that she may not know the whole truth. It doesn't detract from her integrity at all, and I think it actually is a way to make sense of her story. We always wondered why her distress call seemed to be addressing those on the island, and was in French, if her whole team was dead. Why she would have traveled at eight months. Why she blurted out that line about the Carriers (I think she had a flash of remembering something). Where Brennan was. How she knew Ben was an Other if she hadn't seen other people. Why she reacted to Nadia's line so strangely. Why rescue would be unthinkable, even now, when there's no apparent sickness. I'm not big on memory reprogramming, but I think it fits in the overall context of the show, especially with a spoiler we've seen regarding Karl. And I actually love the "Box" metaphor for the locked away memories.
I have a long theory on this over at the Fuselage, but I'm not going to repost it here because no one likes the idea of the Losties being a past group of gifted kids who escaped. I'm not saying it's right, but it's growing on me, and rewatching scenes with that in mind is very interesting.

This time thing has me stumped. I wonder if the tape on Charlie's fingers, on which he wrote LATE shortly after tyhe crash, is a clue? Was it one day later? One week? One year? Did the plane land somewhere so that the passengers were tinkered with somehow? I kind of hate that idea -- enough is enough with the conspiracies. But I don't know what else to think.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 01:26 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky: We always wondered why her distress call seemed to be addressing those on the island, and was in French, if her whole team was dead. Why she would have traveled at eight months. Why she blurted out that line about the Carriers (I think she had a flash of remembering something). Where Brennan was. How she knew Ben was an Other if she hadn't seen other people. Why she reacted to Nadia's line so strangely. Why rescue would be unthinkable, even now, when there's no apparent sickness. I'm not big on memory reprogramming, but I think it fits in the overall context of the show, especially with a spoiler we've seen regarding Karl. And I actually love the "Box" metaphor for the locked away memories.

Lucky, while your idea may prove to be correct, I'm not sure I understand how it addresses some of the mysteries surrounding Danielle. But most importantly, TPTB, if they are to be believed, have stated that prior to capturing Benry, Danielle had never seen an Other, she had only heard them. So unless TPTB are totally lying, which they could be for all I know, Danielle couldn't have experienced the memory reprogramming you describe.

Unless the reprogramming was conducted by another group of Others. This would allow TPTB to be telling the truth, I suppose. But this opens up a pandora's box of problems, such as how did Ben's group wind up with Alex if the Nother Others had Danielle and conducted the brainwashing?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 03:58 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost,

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From Lost Is Back! (And So, So Good Again)
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February 2, 2007 at 10:27 pm
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070202:tv-785d928affd7f62987bedff3be9108cd__ER:1;_ylt=AqzpTd2evgIb6_Q46jsRYe2Ao9EF

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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost

I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:15 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

LOL! I just thought of something.

The writers have boxed themselves into a corner with what are probably continuity errors, but by putting it out that there's something "we haven't considered" they are leaving it to some bright message board poster to figure out an explanation that gets them out of the mess.

I believe you! Hopefully someone will steer them to Joop's Castle and they'll let us drive the Magic Bus for a while!
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:24 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost,

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Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid When I asked Yunjin Kim what was coming up, she told me, "There is so much, so much. We'll definitely find out a lot more about the Others, and the more we find out the more scary they are. They've got some power, and they're very well connected in a very scary way. " And Michael Emerson said he thinks a bigger game is afoot "Everyone, sooner or later, is a pawn in Ben's game, I think. Everyone, sooner or later, has a target on their back."

From Lost Is Back! (And So, So Good Again)
By Kristin Veitch
February 2, 2007 at 10:27 pm
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070202:tv-785d928affd7f62987bedff3be9108cd__ER:1;_ylt=AqzpTd2evgIb6_Q46jsRYe2Ao9EF

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Wow, Zen, this is going to be a wild season. The more we find out the scarier they are, they're well connected in a very scary way, and a bigger game is afoot. And everyone is a pawn in Ben's game.

But just what is Ben's game? Is he an Adrian parallel like we were discussing yesterday? Or something else? What is Ben's role in the bigger game that's afoot? Is he its architect? A handmaiden to powers stronger and scarier than he? Is he their pawn? Or is he trying to work against a stronger scarier power?

I can't wait for this season to get into full swing!

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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost

I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.

I agree with both you and BG, Michael Emerson is amazing! I really want to see the outcome of Ben's surgery and what this means in terms of relationship dynamics (especially after Kristin's mention).

My fav character was quite listless after the Smokie Smackdown.

Travellers and Magicians arrived in the mail on Saturday. Can't wait to watch it!
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Captain: I believe you! Hopefully someone will steer them to Joop's Castle and they'll let us drive the Magic Bus for a while!

LOL, I hope you're driving the Magic Bus, Captain, because I'd get us just as lost as that Pilot. I'm still stumped about the flight time discrepancy, but you and Lost Duckie have come up with some really good ideas. Hopefully someone will read them and run with them.

Captain: I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.

Me too, Captain. Me too. I've started rewatching last season's episodes starting with Ben's first appearance, and Michael Emerson's incredible. I just now finished Maternity Leave and one of the last scenes is in the armory with Ben and Mr. Eko, the one where Eko cuts off those two tufty beardy thingys.

Watching Ben and Eko in that scene made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It struck me as possibly one of the most wildly unpredictable moments of television ever filmed, and Emerson sold the whole thing.

And then a few moments later Locke came in and Ben and Locke talked about Hemingway and Dostoevsky. Emerson is so incredibly good at his craft it's as if he elevates the performances of everyone around him like some amazing force of nature.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I agree with both you and BG, Michael Emerson is amazing! I really want to see the outcome of Ben's surgery and what this means in terms of relationship dynamics (especially after Kristin's mention).

My fav character was quite listless after the Smokie Smackdown.

Travellers and Magicians arrived in the mail on Saturday. Can't wait to watch it!

Hi Zen, as I mentioned above, I just now rewatched Maternity Leave and was especially impressed with Mr. Eko. I think I'm still grieving his death. What a loss that was.

But I'm glad you got Travellers and Magicians. You are in for such a treat. I can't wait for "The Cup," Khyentse Norbu's first film, to arrive. I'm really looking forward to seeing the soccer-mad monks.

BTW, the dvd bonus features on the Travellers and Magicians disc are really good. Khyentse Norbu talks at length about his motivations and his journey to becoming a filmmaker and why he thinks film is a suitable medium for a Buddhist Master. In his words, he wants to "create a grammar of film-making, Buddhist film-making."
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:57 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

BTW, the dvd bonus features on the Travellers and Magicians disc are really good. Khyentse Norbu talks at length about his motivations and his journey to becoming a filmmaker and why he thinks film is a suitable medium for a Buddhist Master. In his words, he wants to "create a grammar of film-making, Buddhist film-making."

I loved how he said film was painting with light and that his films are his thangkas (sacred paintings)
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by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Watching Ben and Eko in that scene made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It struck me as possibly one of the most wildly unpredictable moments of television ever filmed, and Emerson sold the whole thing.

He is so incredible. I remember reading an article where the director (I think) said he'd never seen an actor do so much while chained motionless to a wall. You are right--he elevates everyone's performances.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:07 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Did you see the Lindelof/Cuse video about Yemi's plane? Sounds like they actually believe that a giant magnet can pull a plane out of the sky (An explanation I have never been satisfied with)--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFo_lF-Xjk&eurl=
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I loved how he said film was painting with light and that his films are his thangkas (sacred paintings)

Me too. What a brilliant and insightful comment that was. I may have to buy a copy of Travellers and Magicians - I returned it yesterday - and I already miss it.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

He is so incredible. I remember reading an article where the director (I think) said he'd never seen an actor do so much while chained motionless to a wall. You are right--he elevates everyone's performances.

Captain, I must have missed that article. I'd never heard that particular quote. But LOL, if Emerson can do a lot chained to a wall, I'm salivating at what he might be able to do, performance-wise, while he's in a hospital bed recuperating from his back surgery.

LOL, maybe the next thread should be renamed "JOOP! is Michael Emerson's biggest fan."
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:47 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Did you see the Lindelof/Cuse video about Yemi's plane? Sounds like they actually believe that a giant magnet can pull a plane out of the sky (An explanation I have never been satisfied with)--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFo_lF-Xjk&eurl=

Hi again, Captain, that's an informative bit of video. But I agree that the idea that a giant magnet can pull down planes from the sky as well as reel in ships from the ocean is pretty goofy from a strictly scientific viewpoint.

One of the reasons I always refer to the event we witnessed in last season's finale as "the purple sky thingy" is because the whole thing seems so scientifically implausible. IMHO, it doesn't rise to the level of deserving a more precise terminology than "thingy."

But with that said, I guess I've grown to accept that a lot of the stuff on LOST will never make scientific sense. As a man of science, this was depressing at first, especially given TPTB's statement that everything could be explained through science or psuedo-science. But somehow I've learned to overlook a lot of the really fuzzy science stuff and just go with the flow.

While I'm waxing on philosophically, I must say that I think it's a mistake to take a mechanistic approach to LOST, even though I did so myself the first season and part of last season. I don't think it's a puzzle, nor do I think it's something in which the whole can be divised from an examination of its individual tiny pieces.

Instead, I think we'll only understand this and be able to make a fully coherent story when all is said and done. The best example I can give of this understanding process is perhaps a fender bender accident. When the accident occurs, a zillion things are happening in the world. In some country or other, people are fighting. In office buildings, people are working. Birds sit in trees. On and on.

But having just had an accident, we don't think of all these things. We only think about the accident and by doing so we have already begun to leave stuff out of the accident "story." In fact, it's not even a story yet and won't become a coherent story until we've told the police what happened, called our boss, talked to our spouse, talked to our insurance company, etc. With each retelling, more and more stuff gets left out until we arrive at a tightly coherent account of what happened.

I think LOST will be like this. When we get to the final episode we will have left behind a lot of stuff that of necessity had to be left out in order to arrive at a fully coherent story.

But that's not to say that thinking, analyzing, and theorizing about LOST isn't worthwhile. It's part of the story-making process, IMHO.

Yikes, I sure ran on. Sorry.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 06:08 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Hi again, Captain, that's an informative bit of video. But I agree that the idea that a giant magnet can pull down planes from the sky as well as reel in ships from the ocean is pretty goofy from a strictly scientific viewpoint.

I guess I will just have to get used to the idea that a big ol' magnet sucked Oceanic 815 out of the sky. I think I would have preferred a Magic Turtle...
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 05:33 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I agree that Des has a purity of character that would make him perfect to become mankind's protector.

I wonder if one of the intentions of DI was to explore psychic abilities as they were influenced by EM in an attempt to one day harness a Dr M type power. DI failed, but then through a series of 'random' events, Des comes to the island, is exposed to the EM for 3 years, then through the failsafe, becomes what they were originally trying to create. It's an interesting play on the science/fate theme.

Hi Captain, what an interesting twist that would be if by fate Des became what Dharma was originally trying to create. I love it!

Now that my tinfoil has thawed out, I came up with an idea about what happened to the original Dharmas - the ones that didn't succumb to polar bears, etc. I was thinking about Adrian's creation of a psychic monster that could release horrific thoughts and images upon its death and take out millions of people at the same time. I'm wondering if the Dharmas may have been trying to do something similar.

However, unlike Adrian's creation, the island monster somehow gained the ability to upload thoughts and images of its own choosing, and in doing so it read the Dharmas' minds, so to speak, and knew of their plan to kill it as part of their scheme to save the world. It then released a bunch of horrific images and thoughts in self defense that resulted in their deaths. Perhaps some of the horrific things were manifest as people ala Eko.

Now, wary of humankind, the smoke roams around and strikes out pre-emptively in a sort of hyper-vigilant self-defense. Like all other living beings, it's primary biological directive is to stay alive. The smoke we've seen is at once a being thingy and a security system in that it is protecting itself and its source of EM energy perhaps. It sure seemed to want the button pushing to continue.

On another note, perhaps the children are needed to somehow try to reprogram the dam thing. Their so-called innocence, should the smoke upload it, could act as a therapeutic intervention. LOL, I can't believe I just said that. The Others are attempting psychiatric therapy on the smoke. Good lord, now I've heard it all.
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 06:23 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Now I've seen it all. Here's the grandaddy of conspiracy theories. Secret Google Earth.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/194D60C1582347D0AF5EB813D7675D08/secret-google-earth.aspx
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by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
I just had a thought on the "CS" comment (i know, I'm a little behind on my thinking) but i don't remember anyone suggesting that maybe, just maybe, now that there is no button, it's impossible to get off the island?
If you're in the party that believes that each time there was a crash to the island it was because of a failure to push the button (or something similar) then it could make sense that, if there is no button, no failsafe, no release left, that the magnet would be left unchecked and that you wouldn't ever be able to leave, right?

aah! I might have made up my own theory! wait...what's this...on my head...tinfoil??? who put that there???

hurry, someone, tell me someone already said this so i don't have a heart attack!

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by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

aah! I might have made up my own theory! wait...what's this...on my head...tinfoil??? who put that there???

OMG there's a tower of tinfoil on Rosie's head! What next, a mining headlamp?

My thought is that the island's magnetic fields amplify and heighten (well, yes, that would be the same thing) any extrasensory abilities that a person has, expressed or latent. I think that Desmond may have had psychic tendencies beforehand (this may have come partly from a spoiler but I can't remember the specifics); remember the "What if you did (fix Sarah?" line? And of course the mural.

My thought has always been that there's something much bigger inside the island, underneath the jungle area (possibly near the ? and the Pearl, in the center) -- I think that's where the key island hijinx come from, and that the kids are there, being used for their flexibility of mind.

What if the island has been an underground CIA laboratory (I still see "Lab is Up" in the mural), a well-kept secret for many years that recruits gifted children from around the world, through people like Isaac and Malkin? The island is centered on mind control and manipulation of behavior, using the children's heightened sensory abilities and extremely high magnetic fields in specific areas (where people are lured with the visions -- the areas with the red flowers above where the kids are). People stationed in the real world, along with Oceanic Airlines, are referred to as the Carriers; they (Cindy and Bernard, for instance) follow up on those singled out by people like Malkin and Isaac and manipulate events to bring them to the island periodically.
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 09:57 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Once on the island, the children, with the adults guiding them, spy and report events from a perfect vantage point: they are sandwiched between the Dharma stations (below, obviously) and the island above. They are camouflagued when the come above ground to spy - in the trees, foliage, etc -- connected to all those wires and metal parts (can't forget my Wiry, Wiry World!). They can manipulate the smoke material with their mind's eye, as well as read and somehow infiltrate peoples' minds to impart dreams and visions (visions possibly only in certain areas where the EMF's are extraordinarily high). These would be the Whisperers we hear. It's another technique to add to a military arsenal, and, if it works, is mostly non-violent.
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Maybe the Others are two parts of one group delegated different tasks: one group uses the kids to manipulate their minds from below, the other interacts with them in preplanned encounters to assess them psychologically and interact with them, using their own manipulation skills. Maybe the groups diverged because the kid group was becoming increasingly sinister and violent, or because what they were doing to the kids was immoral.
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 09:59 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

The failsafe released such a surge of EM energy that all the techniques are thrown out of whack -- perhaps Smokey was only supposed to drag Eko into a hole or soemthing, not kill him, but the surge in power made him go haywire. And, most interestingly, it aslo served to heighten dormant extraperceptual abilities like those Desmond had - this kind of thing may be a big threat for the jungle others to contend with.

Now here's the double layer of tinfoil part:
What if all of the Losties, or most of the key people, had been on the island themselves as young gifted children, brought by their military or medical fathers. Perhaps one of the incidents occurred during their time, or the baddish Others became more and more nefarious. In any case, one of the good Others helped them get rescued, airlifted out or something. They of course had to be debriefed, and their memories of being on the island were erased through a CIA technique...maybe the deprogamming used a mind compartmentalization hypnosis technique cand led them through the process of collecting all of these specific memories and sealing them in a metaphorical box in their minds, with instructions to never open that box.
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by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
That's what Lenny, once a child himself on the island, was referring to when Hurley used the numbers. He wasn't talking about unleashing a "curse" or letting out the bad luck -- he was referring to the fact that once you opened the box, you would let some of the memories begin to trickle out and could never close the box again. You probably would start to go crazy. Maybe some of them chose a symbol or object as their box - like Kate's toy plane. When they dug up the plane and she saw it, she probably remembered her own plane, and began to remember bits and pieces of her past. I'm rambling, but the idea is that very slowly, things about the island begin to give them a sense of deja vu, a weird sense of familiarity which doesn't make sense, but will eventually allow them to piece things back together. Maybe the good Others are even providing them with familiar things on the island (the horse) to help them along. They'll remember what was done to them, be able to finally understand the island's weirdness, and be well-equiped to take on the Others (" Oh, $#*% off, Patchy - I know it's you there, not Yemi -- I'm not going within 30 yards of those red flowers.").
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by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
They'd probably regain their former special abilities, they'd know exactly what was going on, and as they're a pretty kick-a$$ group to begin with, they'll be the ones to be reckoned with.
And the best part - we'll get to see flashbacks of them as kids together on the island - how cool is that?

And...and..and...and what if Danielle was the one who saved them? Originally part of the CIA science group (I fantasize that it was she who developed the securtity system to begin with), but increasingly opposed to what was going on with the kids. She got them off, and went through the same memory erasing "box" song and dance. She may have been fed a false story of her island experience to round out the missing chunk of real memories. The way she tells her tale is so disjointed and hypnotic - it's almost like she's been told the story instead of having experienced it. Maybe her music box was opened for the first time and she's starting to begin to remember. Or maybe it was the "See you in another life" line on Nadia's picture, which could very well be the catchphrase they said before deprogramming them.

Maybe. Or maybe it's just desperate fantasing about scenes of Danielle as a young scientist helping the Losties as kids, and the scenes of all of them now saving the poor kids trapped underground.
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 03:42 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I just had a thought on the "CS" comment (i know, I'm a little behind on my thinking) but i don't remember anyone suggesting that maybe, just maybe, now that there is no button, it's impossible to get off the island?
If you're in the party that believes that each time there was a crash to the island it was because of a failure to push the button (or something similar) then it could make sense that, if there is no button, no failsafe, no release left, that the magnet would be left unchecked and that you wouldn't ever be able to leave, right?

aah! I might have made up my own theory! wait...what's this...on my head...tinfoil??? who put that there???

hurry, someone, tell me someone already said this so i don't have a heart attack!

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Hi Lil' Rosie,

That tinfoil looks very good on you.

I like this idea a lot, and it makes sense to me. One thing I really love is that it allows for Michael's and Walt's return to the island without portraying Ben as someone who goes back on his word. (Okay, go ahead and laugh, Ben's the biggest liar in the world, but somehow I believed him when he gave Michael his word.)

Further, this scenario could refuel debates about how much Ben knew about the hatch and the button and the EM thingy and whether or not he knew beforehand that Michael's boat couldn't leave.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Lucky, thanks for that recap of your ideas.

I can't remember the context or the quote, but I'm pretty sure TPTB have talked about Desmond's psychic ability existing prior to the purple sky thingy. Was it by way of explaining his hatch mural? I can't remember now. Sometimes speculations are around so long they take on a life of their own.

Speaking of taking on a life of their own, can you recall the genesis of the various conspiracy theories? I keep going back and trying to reconstruct what scene or event or, more likely, cluster of events on the show led down that path. Was it Slappy's theory about the same car appearing in the flashbacks? Maybe it wasn't any one single theory that started it off but a collective consciousness thing that somehow reached critical mass in one of the LOST hive minds.

What did you think of Watchmen? Any fresh ideas relevant to LOST?

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George, cut it out.
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 12:31 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Good afternoon Joopers!

I'll agree that Des is most like Dr. Manhattan. Seeing into the future, having a tie to love, it is easy to piece him into the Watchmen story. Placing Locke and Eko is a little more difficult. I'll have to think about that one a bit longer.

For me, the question that really needs to be answered is who fits into Adrian's character? Afterall he "engineered a monster, cloned its brain from a human psychic, sent it to New York and killed half of the city." And another quote worth mentioning " The psychic was the key, poor young Robert Deschuaines. I acquired his brain after death any my geneticists cloned something much bigger and more powerful from it, incorporating it into my creatrure. The brain was a psychic resonator. It would amplify a signal pulse and broadcast it. The signal triggered by the onset of death. We coded a lot of information into that signal. Max Shea's descriptions of an alien world, Hira Manish's images and Linette Paley's sounds..." Will the answer to this end up being HIM?
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 12:56 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

For me, the question that really needs to be answered is who fits into Adrian's character? Afterall he "engineered a monster, cloned its brain from a human psychic, sent it to New York and killed half of the city." And another quote worth mentioning " The psychic was the key, poor young Robert Deschuaines. I acquired his brain after death any my geneticists cloned something much bigger and more powerful from it, incorporating it into my creatrure. The brain was a psychic resonator. It would amplify a signal pulse and broadcast it. The signal triggered by the onset of death. We coded a lot of information into that signal. Max Shea's descriptions of an alien world, Hira Manish's images and Linette Paley's sounds..." Will the answer to this end up being HIM?

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Posted: Feb 03 @ 01:07 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Good afternoon Joopers!

I'll agree that Des is most like Dr. Manhattan. Seeing into the future, having a tie to love, it is easy to piece him into the Watchmen story. Placing Locke and Eko is a little more difficult. I'll have to think about that one a bit longer.

For me, the question that really needs to be answered is who fits into Adrian's character? Afterall he "engineered a monster, cloned its brain from a human psychic, sent it to New York and killed half of the city." And another quote worth mentioning " The psychic was the key, poor young Robert Deschuaines. I acquired his brain after death any my geneticists cloned something much bigger and more powerful from it, incorporating it into my creatrure. The brain was a psychic resonator. It would amplify a signal pulse and broadcast it. The signal triggered by the onset of death. We coded a lot of information into that signal. Max Shea's descriptions of an alien world, Hira Manish's images and Linette Paley's sounds..." Will the answer to this end up being HIM?

Zen!

Great question about the parallel Adrian character!

I'm inclined to think Benry is HIM, at least the on-island HIM, but there's still Jacob lurking in the wings and who knows who else so it's very possible a bigger HIM exists. I also wonder if Adrian/Him is on the island.

There's always Mittelwerk as a possible Adrian/HIM, but somehow that doesn't seem very exciting - I feel like that story has already played out in the Lost Experience.

Please don't think I've lost my mind, but it occurred to me that Penny Widmore might be HIM, or should I say, HER. Okay, that's too crazy. Besides, I don't think she's old enough to have started the whole crazy scheme rolling, which, I presume, was some years ago.

But back to the Adrian parallel. Adrian was the smartest person on the planet and extremely rich, and he liked to watch everything happen in his wall of monitors. If an Adrian parallel does in fact exist in LOST, and if it isn't a yet-to-be-met HIM, it just might be Ben.

We don't know if Ben's rich, but he's sure smart and he sure loves to watch things in his monitors. He seems to like the isolation of living on the island. He's a great liar and con-man. And he considers himself good. I guess the only question remaining is does he have a stake in world affairs off-island to the extent that he would want to create a creature that could presumably save humankind through whatever crazy scheme.

On a final note, one thing that really stood out in Watchmen was the statement about "noble intentions leading to atrocity." That sounds a lot like the Others, IMHO.

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(head explodes)

Lucky, oh no! Are you okay?
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(head explodes)

Oh dear! Oh my! Lucky! Help!
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 01:24 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Oh dear! Oh my! Lucky! Help!

Zen, quick, you grab the wigs and I'll grab the mop. We'll have Lucky put right in no time.
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 01:26 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Zen, quick, you grab the wigs and I'll grab the mop. We'll have Lucky put right in no time.

Zen grabs Lucky's fabled wig collection, and starts to fan Lucky....
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 01:30 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
bg brings a mop and some smelling salts and a cold compress for Lucky's head.

Lucky, it's okay. You're Jiffy Pop thingy is just a little rusty from the long hiatus. It's going to be okay. Just take some slow, deep breaths.
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 05:34 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006

Hi Lil' Rosie,

That tinfoil looks very good on you.

I like this idea a lot, and it makes sense to me.

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside! :0)

WAIT! LUCKY! Stand back everyone, I'm first aid, CPR, and EHR (exploded head reintigration) trained.

*waves magic hands over Lucky and says a prayer*
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 06:03 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Lil' Rosie, thanks for trying to help Lucky.

And if anyone is interested, Gregg Nations is back and has answered a bunch of questions at the Fuselage.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/forumdisplay.php?f=174&order=desc
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Posted: Feb 03 @ 06:28 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
A few juicy tidbits from Gregg Nations.

Sayid and Juliet.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64489

The deleted scenes that appear on the dvd's are back to being non-canon.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67723

The flight time contradiction - it seems we've missed something.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67462
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67400

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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:47 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers!

Happy Super Bowl Sunday. I hope we get another great LOST promo this year like we did during last year's Super Bowl. Who can forget "Addicted to Lost"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnD-TTEDPQ

Drat, I just learned that the Super Bowl is on CBS this year, not ABC. Probably no great promo.

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Posted: Feb 04 @ 06:22 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Spoiler talk

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Oh dear me! In light of the spoiler about Juliet sucessfully impregnating a male mouse, what if Ben's tumor isn't really a tumor but a... gulp... baby? Maybe Jack's not doing a tumor removal but a... gulp.... Caesarian?

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Posted: Feb 04 @ 09:31 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Zen sneaks a peek at the spoilerish stuff and exclaims "Unholy In Vitro Fertilization Batman!" sees stars and faints dead away
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 09:41 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Zen sneaks a peek at the spoilerish stuff and exclaims "Unholy In Vitro Fertilization Batman!" sees stars and faints dead away

Oh no!

Zen? Are you okay? Here's the smelling salts.

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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:04 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Oh no!

Zen? Are you okay? Here's the smelling salts.

Zen's head is whirling...eyes start to open....

Whoa! That would definitely be a specific reason Ben didn't want any outside doctors!
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:11 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all. Luckily, the sub-zero temperature saved my exploding head. The pieces froze in mid-air and I was able to pick them back up and put them back together like a frozen puzzle. I did get a glimpse of some strange contents and a few stray wires, but that's neither here nor there.

Bg, I love the Penny Widmore idea, although I'm not sure how HIM could be a HER. Maybe HIM is an acronym. Hermaphrodite Island Monarch? LOL.

I still think Bernard could be Jacob/Him/Adrian, but I'm also inclined to think that Mr. Paik is a possibility. He sits in that office watching the "eye" of the island on those plasma screens. It's like a Bang & Olafson version of the Pearl. Speaking of which, why did Sun have the whole thing with the pearl necklace? I wonder what that means.

I love that Watchmen quote, Bg. It's perfect for the Others, you're right.

And I know that this is heretical, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Danielle really may have had parts of her memory erased and replaced with the story she tells. There's no proof of this, of course, but my new theory is that she was one of the original leaders or founders, and broke from the group to help a group of the kids (including our castaways - I know, I know, roll your eyes) escape. Remember how we used to go over and over her lines, and nothing we could come up with as a scenario really fit? Just think about some of them, and the inconsistencies, from that angle.
-She does know the others, very well, but doesn't know she knows.
-The broadcast, made during the escape, before her memory was erased, was as she was waiting for rescue with the kids.
-Kidnapping Aaron, and waiting on the beach in vain with him after she saw the black smoke, was a complete waste of time.
-the traveling eight months pregnant, thge missing boat, the delivering the baby herself...all a story she was conditioned to repeat
"See you in the next life, if not in this one" sparked a vague memory - it's what they tell people before they deprogram them
-she was conditioned to be violently opposed to the idea of rescue, at all costs (that's what she did wrong in the first place)
-even this: "The firing pin has been removed. Robert didn't notice it was gone when I shot him..." Maybe the firing pin in the gun she used had always been gone, and she never really killed anyone, she was just told she did

I know you're not of the conspiracy persuasion, but just consider it.
(Oops, forgot to replace that one last piece of my frozen head)
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Spoiler talk

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Oh dear me! In light of the spoiler about Juliet sucessfully impregnating a male mouse, what if Ben's tumor isn't really a tumor but a... gulp... baby? Maybe Jack's not doing a tumor removal but a... gulp.... Caesarian?

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by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

(head re-explodes)

Lucky! Oh dear! Help is on the way....BG grab the mop, I'll get the wigs and smelling salts...
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:06 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
LOST returning next week!
With! No! Repeats!
Not!
Even!
One!

Really!!!

What?!

You! Don't! Believe! Me???!!!

!!!!!!!

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:19 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

a road trip in a joopified vw van sounds like a GROOVY way to travel man! i'll bring the brownies

counting down with the joopers!

Hi Sweet, nice to hear from you! I'm excited about the Sayid episode, too. I've noticed that when the show focuses on him, the "island story" always seems to take giant leaps, even going back to the first season. I can't wait!

And LOL, you can take a road trip with us in the Joopified van any time you like.
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:28 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

LOST returning next week!
With! No! Repeats!
Not!
Even!
One!

Really!!!

What?!

You! Don't! Believe! Me???!!!

!!!!!!!

Captain, I believe you! I'm getting so excited I'm starting to foam at the mouth and shake at the hands and knees. I'm sweating behind the neck and any minute now my armpits might burst into flame.

And guess what? I don't have to work next Thursday! My boss approved my time off request. I can stay up late and talk LOST next Wednesday night as long as I want, and I can talk LOST all day the next day if I feel like it. Yipppeeeeee!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:41 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

And guess what? I don't have to work next Thursday! My boss approved my time off request. I can stay up late and talk LOST next Wednesday night as long as I want, and I can talk LOST all day the next day if I feel like it. Yipppeeeeee!!!!!!!!

I think ABC should be required to provide letters to employers explaining the reason everyone is one hour late to work on Thursday morning is because they moved Lost to 10 pm.
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:42 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
spoiler talk

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On second thought, maybe Sayid doesn't ask questions of anyone. Maybe he just sort of asks the question to himself and goes investigating.

But wait!

Wednesday, March 7: 10:00
Episode 3.11: "Enter 77"
--Sayid-Centric-- Guest starring (among others): possibly Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau. Written by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. Directed by Stephen Williams.

Danielle appears in the Sayid episode, so perhaps he asks her some questions. But can she give him answers?!

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:45 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I think ABC should be required to provide letters to employers explaining the reason everyone is one hour late to work on Thursday morning is because they moved Lost to 10 pm.

LMAO!

Instead of people calling in sick on Thursdays, perhaps they should start calling in LOST.
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 04:49 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Instead of people calling in sick on Thursdays, perhaps they should start calling in LOST.

It's the sickness!
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Posted: Jan 30 @ 05:05 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

It's the sickness!

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 06:27 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Hi Sweet, nice to hear from you! I'm excited about the Sayid episode, too. I've noticed that when the show focuses on him, the "island story" always seems to take giant leaps, even going back to the first season. I can't wait!

And LOL, you can take a road trip with us in the Joopified van any time you like.

Zen sneaks into the thread with her best Roger Daltrey voice "Every day I get in the queue
Too much, Magic Bus
To get on the bus that takes me to you
Too much, Magic Bus
I'm so nervous, I just sit and smile
Too much, Magic Bus
You house is only another mile
Too much, Magic Bus..."
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Posted: Jan 31 @ 02:13 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
bg and Joop join in

Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, Magic Bus)
You'll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, Magic Bus)
I don't want to cause no fuss (Too much, Magic Bus)
But can I buy your Magic Bus? (Too much, Magic Bus)

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Posted: Jan 31 @ 02:21 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Wednesday!

7 days
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LOL, I had this crazy tinfoil hat idea. What if the Lost islands really are inside a snow globe, only the snow is outside the globe. The catastrophically screwed part is that the purple sky thingy caused a small tear in the globe and soon it will get bigger. The temperature on the beach will drop. And drop. And drop. Brrrrrr....
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Posted: Jan 31 @ 02:22 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
oops, double post

But since I'm here, WAKE UP EVERYBODY! Put on a sparkly, fringed dress and dance around the kitchen while you're waiting for the breakfast toast!

Tina!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1uPhj_T0X4&feature=PlayList&p=6CE81EEDBB3D6477&index=1

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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good afternoon all. Bump to the front.
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Posted: Jan 31 @ 06:36 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
*Rosie puts on sparkly (but not too sparkly) dress with fringe (but not too much ) and dances and hums nicely and easily so as not to glitter too much to be noticed in the corner*

Um...had to speak up...I've been power-cord-less for my laptop for 3 WHOLE DAYS cuz my puppy chewed the old one, and I haven't had enough battery to do anything but check in and it's been KILLING me, even though I don't talk very much! *giant sigh of relief*

And ONLY ONE WEEK LEFT!!!

(you'll probably never hear me yell again. sorry. too excited)...

*runs around, hugs everyone before they knew what hit them, and runs back into dark corner*
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 03:00 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

*Rosie puts on sparkly (but not too sparkly) dress with fringe (but not too much ) and dances and hums nicely and easily so as not to glitter too much to be noticed in the corner*

Um...had to speak up...I've been power-cord-less for my laptop for 3 WHOLE DAYS cuz my puppy chewed the old one, and I haven't had enough battery to do anything but check in and it's been KILLING me, even though I don't talk very much! *giant sigh of relief*

And ONLY ONE WEEK LEFT!!!

(you'll probably never hear me yell again. sorry. too excited)...

*runs around, hugs everyone before they knew what hit them, and runs back into dark corner*

LOL, Lil Rosie, thanks for the laugh and for the hug. You are cracking me up.

Sorry to hear about your power cord, but I'm glad the puppy is okay and didn't get a shock. Puppies can sure get into mischief, can't they? Even when you watch them every second they can still find ways to make merry with their curiosity-driven little selves.
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 03:06 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Thursday!

Hooray, I finished reading Watchmen!

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Posted: Feb 01 @ 05:40 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

oops, double post

But since I'm here, WAKE UP EVERYBODY! Put on a sparkly, fringed dress and dance around the kitchen while you're waiting for the breakfast toast!

Tina!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1uPhj_T0X4&feature=PlayList&p=6CE81EEDBB3D6477&index=1

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My speakers won't play Tina. They've picked up some oldies radio station. I'm seeing Tina, but hearing the Beach Boys!
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 07:31 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi everyone! Six days to go! I think i'd better turn my tv on now and get settled in so I don't miss anything.

I'm vowing to stay away from any spoilers.

Almost done with Watchmen -- can't wait to discuss.

Anyone have any predictions?

Bg, should our next home be a giant Partridge Familyesque bus? I can paint a groovy mural if I get started now.
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 07:33 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

LOL, I had this crazy tinfoil hat idea. What if the Lost islands really are inside a snow globe, only the snow is outside the globe. The catastrophically screwed part is that the purple sky thingy caused a small tear in the globe and soon it will get bigger. The temperature on the beach will drop. And drop. And drop. Brrrrrr....

Bg, turn up the heat in your house and report back.
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 10:36 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Almost done with Watchmen -- can't wait to discuss.

Hurray! Soon the premium discussing of literary penmanship shall commence!
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 03:46 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

My speakers won't play Tina. They've picked up some oldies radio station. I'm seeing Tina, but hearing the Beach Boys!

Oh my! Zen, I can't quite wrap my brain around that.
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 03:53 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi everyone! Six days to go! I think i'd better turn my tv on now and get settled in so I don't miss anything.

I'm vowing to stay away from any spoilers.

Almost done with Watchmen -- can't wait to discuss.

Anyone have any predictions?

Bg, should our next home be a giant Partridge Familyesque bus? I can paint a groovy mural if I get started now.

Hi Lucky, I've taken your advice and turned up the heat. Now the icesicles around the edge of my tinfoil hat are starting to drip.

As for predictions ala Watchmen, I've got so many I'm about to explode.

A giant Partridge Familyesque bus? I love the idea of a groovy mural, but I was thinking maybe something a little more Cheech and Chong. For some reason, the grown-up Danny Partridge gives me the willies. I worry that he may see us sail past in a Partridge Familyesque bus and have a flipout or something. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.
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Posted: Feb 01 @ 04:00 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hurray! Soon the premium discussing of literary penmanship shall commence!

Yippeee! Captain, Soon we begin!
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 02:19 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! TGIF!

...5 days 16 hours 40 minutes 53 seconds...

From David Pogue, 'Circuits' columnist at the New York Times. An Ode to YouTube sung to the tune of Sonny and Cher's immortal classic, "I Got You Babe."

They say we're young, don't watch TV;
They say the Internet is all we see.
But that's not true; they've got it wrong.
See, all our shows are just two minutes long...

Hey...
I got YouTube.
I got YouTube.

They say Gen X won't follow news,
The New York Times can only stand to lose!
If all the papers go away,
How will we learn the stories of the day?

Dude-
We got YouTube.
We got YouTube.

I got movie parodies...
Funny ads from overseas...
Webcams of kids! On air guitar!
Anything funny, all messed up, or bizarre!

(Key change!)

So let them say Google overpaid;
I say they got the better of the trade.
Just throw your HDTV aside-
The future's on a screen three inches wide...

Yay!
I got YouTube-
Make that GooTube!

I can watch "The Daily Show"...
Just the parts I need to know!
Lots of music, lots of laughs,
Politicans' latest gaffes,
LonelyGirls and music vids,
Cameraphones and "Star Wars" kids!
Copyrights get stomped a bit,
But kids my age don't give a-
..uh, care a whit!

Dude!
I got YouTube.
I got YouTube.
I got YouTube.
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 05:48 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

...
I can watch "The Daily Show"...
Just the parts I need to know!
Lots of music, lots of laughs,
Politicans' latest gaffes,
LonelyGirls and music vids,
Cameraphones and "Star Wars" kids!
Copyrights get stomped a bit,
But kids my age don't give a-
..uh, care a whit!

Dude!
I got YouTube.
I got YouTube.
I got YouTube.

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Posted: Feb 02 @ 06:45 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all! Finished Watchmen and am preparating for much exhilirating discussion!
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 07:37 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Calling all book club participants!

I think everyone has now finished reading Watchmen and we can talk freely about it without using the spoiler courtesy space.

Let the discussion begin!

My first contribution: I'm wondering if Desmond experienced a transformation when the hatch imploded similar to Dr. Manhattan's. If this is true, then what about Locke and the late Mr. Eko?
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 10:31 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Let the discussion begin!

My first contribution: I'm wondering if Desmond experienced a transformation when the hatch imploded similar to Dr. Manhattan's. If this is true, then what about Locke and the late Mr. Eko?

I was thinking the same thing about Desmond as Dr Manhattan. His waking up naked and later 'seeing' the future--what else can he do?

Remember when Mittlewerk said something like 'What if you could end war, poverty, disease?' And we discussed what could possibly end all these things? What if he was talking about creating a Dr Manhattan-like entity--a man with almost godlike abilities?
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 10:56 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I was thinking the same thing about Desmond as Dr Manhattan. His waking up naked and later 'seeing' the future--what else can he do?

Remember when Mittlewerk said something like 'What if you could end war, poverty, disease?' And we discussed what could possibly end all these things? What if he was talking about creating a Dr Manhattan-like entity--a man with almost godlike abilities?

Hi Captain, interesting thought about Mittelwerk and creating a man with almost god-like qualities. Could it be that the "whole hatch thing" was about finding a person altruistic and brave enough to use that failsafe key "to keep the world from blowing up"?

I'm not saying the entire hatch thing was a charade, but it occurred to me that if you wanted to create a Dr. Manhattan with almost god-like powers and abilities, and if the implosion thingy could create such a being, then it would be better to have someone with a rather noble heart and mind. A willingness to turn the failsafe key would be the ultimate "screening" test of someone's character. Does this make sense?
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Posted: Feb 02 @ 04:13 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Hi Captain, interesting thought about Mittelwerk and creating a man with almost god-like qualities. Could it be that the "whole hatch thing" was about finding a person altruistic and brave enough to use that failsafe key "to keep the world from blowing up"?

I'm not saying the entire hatch thing was a charade, but it occurred to me that if you wanted to create a Dr. Manhattan with almost god-like powers and abilities, and if the implosion thingy could create such a being, then it would be better to have someone with a rather noble heart and mind. A willingness to turn the failsafe key would be the ultimate "screening" test of someone's character. Does this make sense?

I agree that Des has a purity of character that would make him perfect to become mankind's protector.

I wonder if one of the intentions of DI was to explore psychic abilities as they were influenced by EM in an attempt to one day harness a Dr M type power. DI failed, but then through a series of 'random' events, Des comes to the island, is exposed to the EM for 3 years, then through the failsafe, becomes what they were originally trying to create. It's an interesting play on the science/fate theme.
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 04:34 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Saturday!

No work today! Movies to watch, graphic novels to read. Hooray!
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 05:17 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Dark UFO has posted a link to another new promo video. Mostly stuff we've seen before, but it still sets my heart pounding.

KATE DAMMIT RUN!

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1500831&forumStart=0
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 09:37 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

See you guys this weekend, I hope. My husband and I have a night alone (no kids) - any movie suggestions? Fil said Pan's Labarynth was fantastc - maybe I'll see that? Unless someone has other ideas?

I hear it is one of the best movies out right now. Also one of the most violent. Just thought I'd warn you in case you think it is just a 'fantasy' movie.
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 09:57 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

I was doing some digging and it turns out a documentary has been made about the director, Dzongsar Khyentse Norbu Rinpoche, called 'Words of my Perfect Teacher.'

This is becoming as intriguing and complicated as LOST.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film-reviews/words-of-my-perfect-teacher/2005/10/04/1128391225646.html

also (scroll down)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/12/22/DDGKEN39IA1.DTL&type=movies

That would be fun to see, even though the film critics agree it is a bit boring. Norbu is an amazing man. The short features included on 'Travellers and Magicians' tell a little bit about him, enough to make me want to see him in person. I have been privileged to have seen 2 Tibetan Rinpoche's in person in this lifetime--truly wonderful experiences.
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 01:48 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
BG: spoiler talk

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BG: " Here's a spoiler pic that was posted yesterday that clearly shows a Dharma logo on the front of the magic bus where normally the VW logo would go. I can't make out what's in the middle of the Dharma logo but I don't think it's a swan. "

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/dharma-vw.html

Hard to tell, but made me think of the Yin-Yang symbol.

Can't see the skeleton arms clearly enough either, but doesn't what you can see look pale, not burned looking?

Can't wait for the 7th!!

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Posted: Jan 27 @ 05:04 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Evening Joopers!

Just finished Speaker of the Dead. Loved seeing Ender's story continue. It was a great full arc. Speaker has given me a new perspective of tree hugging. Hurray for Pigs In Space!

Got to get Xenocide next.
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:11 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

That would be fun to see, even though the film critics agree it is a bit boring. Norbu is an amazing man. The short features included on 'Travellers and Magicians' tell a little bit about him, enough to make me want to see him in person. I have been privileged to have seen 2 Tibetan Rinpoche's in person in this lifetime--truly wonderful experiences.

Two? You are most fortunate, Captain.
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:16 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

BG: spoiler talk

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BG: " Here's a spoiler pic that was posted yesterday that clearly shows a Dharma logo on the front of the magic bus where normally the VW logo would go. I can't make out what's in the middle of the Dharma logo but I don't think it's a swan. "

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/dharma-vw.html

Hard to tell, but made me think of the Yin-Yang symbol.

Can't see the skeleton arms clearly enough either, but doesn't what you can see look pale, not burned looking?

Can't wait for the 7th!!

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Hi, LncshrLassinMI,

I can't tell what I'm seeing in that picture. But you make a good point. There might be more than one corpse.

By the way, do you have a nickname? It's hard for me to pronounce LncshrLassinMI.

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:38 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Evening Joopers!

Just finished Speaker of the Dead. Loved seeing Ender's story continue. It was a great full arc. Speaker has given me a new perspective of tree hugging. Hurray for Pigs In Space!

Got to get Xenocide next.

Hi Zen, I'm so jealous that you find time to read! I'm still on chapter 10 of Watchmen and each time I sit down to finish the book something happens.

For example, yesterday morning I discovered that my curious and mischevious doggie ate a bar of bath soap - well, more like a sliver of bath soap. But nevertheless it put me in a panic and off we went to the vets.

The good doggie doctor said no cause for alarm - just watch for mild stomach upset. To make a long story short, doggie is fine but I've got a (more than) mild stomach upset from being so worried and upset.

On another note, I was very disappointed last night to discover that 'The Magic Flute' wasn't airing on my local pbs station as listed. I sat through an entire episode of 'Antiques Roadshow' thinking that perhaps the station was just running behind or something. It was actually a pretty interesting episode - from Philadelphia - but certainly no Queen of the Night anywhere in sight.

Then, Roadshow ended and I became excited. Surely 'Flute' would be on next. But alas, no 'Flute' but a Ballroom Dancing competition instead, and still no Queen of the Night, although I must say some of the sparkly costumes were quite amusing.

What a day. From doggie soap gobbling in the morning to Flute-less flying tango steps in the evening. These are the days of my life...
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:47 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Sunday!

10 days
13 hours
14 minutes
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KATE DAMMIT RUN!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 06:39 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Good morning!

BG, sorry to hear about the misadventure of your doggie. Hope you are both doing better. Pets do crazy things. I remember when my brother's dog ate a commercial sized salmon fish hook. She was just a pup, and he ended up helping the vet with the surgery. Maggie was fine, but my brother was pretty shaken. It is interesting to see what tickles animals' curiosity bones (if we as owners can live through it).

The Tibetan Book of the Dead program did not air on the History Channel yesterday morning. Instead, according to my friend, a program on Heaven aired, (and was taped). I'll be interested in viewing it, as I've always thought we create our own heaven on earth.

BG: What a day. From doggie soap gobbling in the morning to Flute-less flying tango steps in the evening. These are the days of my life... Sounds like a soap ( ) opera (less)! Relax and enjoy your day!
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 06:42 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

By the way, do you have a nickname? It's hard for me to pronounce LncshrLassinMI.

Just call me Jean or L/Lass, if you prefer.
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 06:44 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Happy Birthday LLM!
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 06:59 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Good morning!

BG, sorry to hear about the misadventure of your doggie. Hope you are both doing better. Pets do crazy things. I remember when my brother's dog ate a commercial sized salmon fish hook. She was just a pup, and he ended up helping the vet with the surgery. Maggie was fine, but my brother was pretty shaken. It is interesting to see what tickles animals' curiosity bones (if we as owners can live through it).

The Tibetan Book of the Dead program did not air on the History Channel yesterday morning. Instead, according to my friend, a program on Heaven aired, (and was taped). I'll be interested in viewing it, as I've always thought we create our own heaven on earth.

BG: What a day. From doggie soap gobbling in the morning to Flute-less flying tango steps in the evening. These are the days of my life... Sounds like a soap ( ) opera (less)! Relax and enjoy your day!

Hi Zen, being the parent of an adventurous doggie can certainly have it's wild moments. Your poor brother must have almost died during the salmon fish hook episode.

And LOL, yesterday was indeed a (soap) opera at my house. Who needs 'The Magic Flute' when you've got soap-bubble doggie toots?

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 07:00 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Just call me Jean or L/Lass, if you prefer.

L/Lass it is! And happy birthday!
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 07:02 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

And LOL, yesterday was indeed a (soap) opera at my house. Who needs 'The Magic Flute' when you've got soap-bubble doggie toots?

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 11:02 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Dark UFO has posted a rumor about...

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...the return of Michael!?
http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1501614&forumStart=0

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 02:55 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all! Almost done with Watchmen - I'm going to try to finish tonight. Captain, I didn't read your warning post about Pan's Labyrinth until after I saw the movie last night, but you were right - it was quite brutal. Still, a beautiful and intriguing film. You really walk out not quite able to decide whether the fantasy world (the Underworld) was actually real or just fantasy in the little girl's mind. And there's nothing like a screaming mandrake root as its killed to add that creepy je ne sais quoi. Hardly anything is as creepy as a mandrake root and its lore (and I'm not talking about the ones Professer Sprout used in Harry Potter, but the ones that used to grow in the ground below the gallows, sprung from the uh, unmentionable bodily fluid that would be,uh,discharged at the time of death. There isn't much that's creepier, except perhaps a homunculus.

Bg, great call on the VW bus! LOL, if we ever need a car for a short road trip or something, we could Joopify one of those in a jiffy!
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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:09 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi all! Almost done with Watchmen - I'm going to try to finish tonight. Captain, I didn't read your warning post about Pan's Labyrinth until after I saw the movie last night, but you were right - it was quite brutal. Still, a beautiful and intriguing film. You really walk out not quite able to decide whether the fantasy world (the Underworld) was actually real or just fantasy in the little girl's mind. And there's nothing like a screaming mandrake root as its killed to add that creepy je ne sais quoi. Hardly anything is as creepy as a mandrake root and its lore (and I'm not talking about the ones Professer Sprout used in Harry Potter, but the ones that used to grow in the ground below the gallows, sprung from the uh, unmentionable bodily fluid that would be,uh,discharged at the time of death. There isn't much that's creepier, except perhaps a homunculus.

Bg, great call on the VW bus! LOL, if we ever need a car for a short road trip or something, we could Joopify one of those in a jiffy!

Hi Lucky, LOL, I love the new verb, Joopify. If we can Joopify a Flying Castle and a hot air balloon, I'm sure we could Joopify a VW van.

Oh dear, I don't think I'd better see 'Pan' for a while. I'm still not over the Mandrake Root thing from last summer's Lost Experience.

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 05:29 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Anybody seen Captain today?

Captain, if you're around, I finished "Travellers and Magicians" and I'm totally in love with this movie and with this director. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this recommendation. Netflix isn't getting this one back any time soon.

One of the things that so impressed me, beyond the storytelling itself, was the cast. How Khyentse Norbu obtained such marvelous performances from non-actors is another accolade to add to his impressive list of marvels.

I found this link is most informative. Born in 1961, Norbu didn't see his first film until he was 19, as a young monk on his way to college!

http://www.travellersandmagicians.com/TandM_PRESS_KIT_US.pdf

BTW, I loved the story framed in a story. The way each story informed the other and held it in tension was a delight. It was impossible to tell which was the magician and which the traveller.

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Posted: Jan 28 @ 10:02 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

Hi Lucky, LOL, I love the new verb, Joopify. If we can Joopify a Flying Castle and a hot air balloon, I'm sure we could Joopify a VW van.

Oh dear, I don't think I'd better see 'Pan' for a while. I'm still not over the Mandrake Root thing from last summer's Lost Experience.

LOL, I forgot about Manny. What the heck was that all about, anyway?

Bg, I forgot to say earlier that I'm glad your doggie is okay.

Going to try and finish Watchmen now.
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Posted: Jan 29 @ 01:58 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

LOL, I forgot about Manny. What the heck was that all about, anyway?

Bg, I forgot to say earlier that I'm glad your doggie is okay.

Going to try and finish Watchmen now.

LOL, Lucky, I don't know what the heck that Mandrake Root stuff was all about. And oh dear me, that pie-proud Wally Boles still gives me nightmares.

Thanks for the well-wishes for doggie. What a mischevous doggie I have. She is blessed with curiosity, that's for sure.
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Posted: Jan 29 @ 02:01 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Monday.

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Posted: Jan 29 @ 05:23 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Good morning Joopers!

Just a quick fly by to say hello, and wish you a wonderful day!
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Posted: Jan 29 @ 09:40 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Captain, if you're around, I finished "Travellers and Magicians" and I'm totally in love with this movie and with this director. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this recommendation.

I am so glad you liked it. This film is truly magical.
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Posted: Jan 29 @ 01:52 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Zen, hi Captain, magical is just the right word for Travellers and Magicians. I just loved it. And not wanting to stop there, I ordered "The Cup." Couldn't find it on Netflix, so I bought the dvd. It should arrive from Hong Kong in a week or so. I still can't find the documentary we were discussing, however. But I'm sure it will turn up eventually.

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http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/latest-tv-guide-scans.html

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God, I love Sayid. His character has always been the voice of reason and sense and he's one of the few people on the island whose judgement I trust. When Sayid said the transmission had been reiterating for 16.5 years, I believed him. When he said Henry Gale was an Other, I believed him.

In many ways, his is the most self-aware and dare I say enlightened of all the characters. Even on those rare occasions when he's pushed nearly to madness by events, such as Shannon's senseless death, he's unflinchingly honest with himself. What courage he possesses.

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 02:18 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Tuesday.

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 10:09 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
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Okay, if the above is true, then who the heck is answering the questions that Sayid is asking? Who is he talking to that knows some answers?

Danielle? Desmond? Ben? Juliet? Alex? Patchy?

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 02:14 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006

Spoiler alert. From Dark UFO.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/latest-tv-guide-scans.html

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Cuse: "Sayid's [episode] is one that is enormously satisfying because it is a heavy answer-mode episode."
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God, I love Sayid. His character has always been the voice of reason and sense and he's one of the few people on the island whose judgement I trust. When Sayid said the transmission had been reiterating for 16.5 years, I believed him. When he said Henry Gale was an Other, I believed him.

In many ways, his is the most self-aware and dare I say enlightened of all the characters. Even on those rare occasions when he's pushed nearly to madness by events, such as Shannon's senseless death, he's unflinchingly honest with himself. What courage he possesses.

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and when sayid said he dug up henry gale's grave
i could have kissed him i was so happy!
but then again - i have always found sayid enormously satisfying - oh wait - Cuse said the EPISODE!
i totally agree that in addition to being beautiful, sayid is such a great character - while the other LOSTIES are reacting, he is thinking
he knew the hatch was trouble
he knew that Fenry was an other
he knew that Michael would betray them
i'm VERY glad to hear there will be a sayid centric epi!

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Posted: Jan 30 @ 02:16 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006

Hi Lucky, LOL, I love the new verb, Joopify. If we can Joopify a Flying Castle and a hot air balloon, I'm sure we could Joopify a VW van.

a road trip in a joopified vw van sounds like a GROOVY way to travel man! i'll bring the brownies

counting down with the joopers!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 01:27 PM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

What's CES?

Maybe we could get them to film some of our bad fanfic stories!

I have no idea captain! But they would do a fantastic job with your guys's bad fanfic stories ! That would be a blast to see for sure ! Cheers !
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:08 PM
by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
CES is a really big electronics trade show for computer and commercial electronics they have in Las Vegas every year. Here's their web page:

http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp

Bill Gates usually shows up to speak there, along with a lot of other big names & announcements.
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:14 PM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

CES is a really big electronics trade show for computer and commercial electronics they have in Las Vegas every year. Here's their web page:

http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp

Bill Gates usually shows up to speak there, along with a lot of other big names & announcements.

Thanks LostDuckie for the info ! Pretty cool !
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:32 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good afternoon, Joopers!

Thanks for the kind words about my finding that pesky key. LOL, I don't know what it is with me and keys.

Drat, my broadband connection must be slow right now. The youtuber's are taking forever to load. I'll try again later.

History channel tonight? Book of the Dead? I'm there!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:55 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I just saw that the History channel has a program on tonight called Decoding the Past about the Tibetan Book of the Dead!

Arggh, it's not on in my area tonight. They're showing Snackfood Technologies. But it's on this Saturday.
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 03:28 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

CES is a really big electronics trade show for computer and commercial electronics they have in Las Vegas every year. Here's their web page:

http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp

Bill Gates usually shows up to speak there, along with a lot of other big names & announcements.

I figured they were something big. Wonder how much they paid to have Evie, Josh, Michael and Naveen do that clip?
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 03:30 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Arggh, it's not on in my area tonight. They're showing Snackfood Technologies. But it's on this Saturday.

Looks like the universe is conspiring to make you stay home on Sat. night--Mozart and The Book of the Dead!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 04:38 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Looks like the universe is conspiring to make you stay home on Sat. night--Mozart and The Book of the Dead!

LOL, I won't be able to leave the house at all this Saturday. Book of the Dead in the am, Magic Flute in the pm, and then there's this week's '24" which I haven't watched yet, and "Travellers and Magicians" which arrived today. Oh, and the last two chapters of "Watchmen."

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Posted: Jan 25 @ 05:14 PM
by: IslandLilly (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005
Dear Joopers, I've missed several weeks of being on this site and reading all your ideas, but trying to catch up.
Running from the Others! Keys! A car! Danielle back! I can't wait!

(I am still recovering from an accident, hospitalization, and surgery. The doctor says I should get the last cast off the end of March, then PT to practice walking again. I'm getting better every day.)

Each of You: Stay safe! Stay Well!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 06:02 PM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

Dear Joopers, I've missed several weeks of being on this site and reading all your ideas, but trying to catch up.
Running from the Others! Keys! A car! Danielle back! I can't wait!

(I am still recovering from an accident, hospitalization, and surgery. The doctor says I should get the last cast off the end of March, then PT to practice walking again. I'm getting better every day.)

Each of You: Stay safe! Stay Well!

Hi IslandLilly. Fascinating stuff coming out, huh ? Sorry to hear about your accident ! I hope that you have a speedy recovery and that your physical therapy goes well for you ! Take care ! ~ seek
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 06:50 PM
by: IslandLilly (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005
Seek,
Thank you for your good wishes. The first month was unbelievably painful. Now it's settling into deep bone aching. And, my hubby won't even bring me my knitting needles I ask for. Guess he knows I'll use them to relieve itching inside the cast. He says that's a "No-No".

I've been catching up on LOST theories and speculations. Got to admit, any of it seems plausible. But, TPTB just could go in any direction and blow me away.
Just so they don't kill off Jack, Kate or Sawyer. Please!
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 02:46 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Dear Joopers, I've missed several weeks of being on this site and reading all your ideas, but trying to catch up.
Running from the Others! Keys! A car! Danielle back! I can't wait!

(I am still recovering from an accident, hospitalization, and surgery. The doctor says I should get the last cast off the end of March, then PT to practice walking again. I'm getting better every day.)

Each of You: Stay safe! Stay Well!

Hi Island Lilly, I'm so sorry to hear of your accident - I was wondering where you'd gotten to and I was starting to worry about you. I'm glad to hear you're on the mend, however.

Maybe some new episodes of LOST and some tinfoil speculating will be just the thing to take your mind off your casts and to help you through the recovery period.

Welcome back! And by the way, circle Feb 28 on your calendar. I think that's the episode Danielle first reappears.
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 02:49 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. TGIF!

Dark UFO has posted the latest LOST moment video, # 11. Get ready to laugh.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/lost-moment-11.html

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 07:18 AM
by: IslandLilly (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005
Morning, BG and all,
Feb 28 it is. I think of all the background stories, I want the most to see about Ben and Danielle. Ben because he's so twisted; Danielle because she has such hope, courage and resourcefulness. I'm anxious to have a Danielle / Alex reunion.
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 01:05 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Morning, BG and all,
Feb 28 it is. I think of all the background stories, I want the most to see about Ben and Danielle. Ben because he's so twisted; Danielle because she has such hope, courage and resourcefulness. I'm anxious to have a Danielle / Alex reunion.

Hi Island Lilly, my two favorites are also Danielle and Benry. A year ago I said the day they show Danielle's flashback (and why oh why Brennon took the keys) I would no longer need to watch the show. All my dreams would have come true. But with the introduction of Benry, I now have a second reason to watch the show.

Can you imagine a flashback with both Danielle and Benry in it? Oh dear me! I'd need an ambulance on standby.
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 01:26 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Hi Joopers!

Cap thanks for the heads up on Decoding the Past: The Tibetan Book of the Dead program on the History channel. I don't have dish or cable but I do have a friend who'll tape the show for me

Island Lily, sorry to hear of your accident. Glad to know you are on the mend.

BG, a question involving the link you provided

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http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/lost/100272

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 01:46 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
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Zen: Thanks for the link of Sawyer & Jin BG! Do you think the magic bus was the DeGroot's?

Very possible, Zen. Here's a spoiler pic that was posted yesterday that clearly shows a Dharma logo on the front of the magic bus where normally the VW logo would go. I can't make out what's in the middle of the Dharma logo but I don't think it's a swan.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/dharma-vw.html

Going by the Dharma logo and the vehicle's age, it's for sure from the DeGroot's era. Whether they actually drove it or not I cannot say.

But yikes! That pic of the skeletal remains has been added since I posted the link this morning. I wonder who that could be? Can you tell if the skeleton thingy has both arms? If not, is there another corpse laying around? Is this one wearing a khaki Dharma uniform? Oh dear me!

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 02:14 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 02:41 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
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Zen: I can see one arm & hand of the skeleton, but can't make out a second arm...I think we need Lucky's eagle eyes to make that determination. It would be almost too coincidental if the arm/hand with the rabbit's foot and key turned out to be this skeleton's missing limb. Another question--why would the skeleton be left there? Wouldn't someone come to find a missing person or the magic bus? Is the magic bus in an area where smokie hangs out? Not too sure what to make of all this.

Hi Zen, I agree that Lucky's eagle eye would be helpful. I can't make out too much regarding the arms. But as for your other questions, yes, I think someone would come looking for a missing person or bus. This is weird.

Okay, assume for the sake of argument that this was one of the last Dharmas and there was nobody to come to the rescue. But for all we know this could be someone not Dharma related. Still, why would someone sit down on the outside of the bus and then die there? Dharma beer suicide? Why would the skeleton still be undisturbed after all this time? Doesn't add up.

I think the most likely answer is the corpse was perhaps inside the magic bus. One of our Losties moved him outside and propped him up where he sits. I dunno. I wish I knew if this one is missing the arm. It's hard to come up with a scenario with so little to go on - rather, it's hard to come up with a scenario that incorporates all this crazy stuff.

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 03:10 PM
by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
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OK back awhile on spoiler fix they had a synopsis of Not in Portland that said:

This episode will feature Edmund Burke, a smug in his 50s who has a laboratory in a university, who is the type to divorce his wife to date a young woman in her early 20s. He likes to take credit for other people's work. Also in the episode is Albert Hofmann, a highly selective recruiter for a bio-tech company

Now according to abcmedianet:

Guest starring are Robin Weigert as Rachel, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, William Mapother as Ethan, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Michael Bowen as Pickett, Ariston Green as Jason, Teddy Wells as Ivan, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Steve Labrash as morgue employee, Kimberly Estrada as Sherry, Rob McElhenney as Aldo and Zeljko Ivanek as Edmund

Albert Hoffman was the discover of LSD and Richard Alpert is now known as Baba Ram Dass and from Wikipedia:

Dr. Richard Alpert (born April 5, 1931), also known as Baba Ram Dass, is a contemporary spiritual teacher who wrote the 1971 bestseller Be Here Now. He is well-known for his association with Timothy Leary at Harvard University in the early 1960s, both having been dismissed from their professorships for experiments on the effects of psychedelic drugs on human subjects.

You think they're yanking our chain here, coincidence or have I eaten one to many pyschotropic Apollo bars?

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 03:37 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Cap thanks for the heads up on Decoding the Past: The Tibetan Book of the Dead program on the History channel. I don't have dish or cable but I do have a friend who'll tape the show for me

I hope they show it in your area. I tuned in last night only to find it wasn't on. So I checked their website. Can't find that episode listed anywhere
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 05:10 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

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OK back awhile on spoiler fix they had a synopsis of Not in Portland that said:

This episode will feature Edmund Burke, a smug in his 50s who has a laboratory in a university, who is the type to divorce his wife to date a young woman in her early 20s. He likes to take credit for other people's work. Also in the episode is Albert Hofmann, a highly selective recruiter for a bio-tech company

Now according to abcmedianet:

Guest starring are Robin Weigert as Rachel, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, William Mapother as Ethan, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Michael Bowen as Pickett, Ariston Green as Jason, Teddy Wells as Ivan, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Steve Labrash as morgue employee, Kimberly Estrada as Sherry, Rob McElhenney as Aldo and Zeljko Ivanek as Edmund

Albert Hoffman was the discover of LSD and Richard Alpert is now known as Baba Ram Dass and from Wikipedia:

Dr. Richard Alpert (born April 5, 1931), also known as Baba Ram Dass, is a contemporary spiritual teacher who wrote the 1971 bestseller Be Here Now. He is well-known for his association with Timothy Leary at Harvard University in the early 1960s, both having been dismissed from their professorships for experiments on the effects of psychedelic drugs on human subjects.

You think they're yanking our chain here, coincidence or have I eaten one to many pyschotropic Apollo bars?

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 05:13 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Cap thanks for the heads up on Decoding the Past: The Tibetan Book of the Dead program on the History channel. I don't have dish or cable but I do have a friend who'll tape the show for me

I hope they show it in your area. I tuned in last night only to find it wasn't on. So I checked their website. Can't find that episode listed anywhere

I couldn't find it on their website either. But for some reason it is listed on the tv schedule at Yahoo

http://tv.yahoo.com/listings

and at tvguide another show is airing at 11:00 a.m.
Heaven: Beyond the Grave

http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=197377&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6272014

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Posted: Jan 26 @ 05:21 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Cap thanks for the heads up on Decoding the Past: The Tibetan Book of the Dead program on the History channel. I don't have dish or cable but I do have a friend who'll tape the show for me

I hope they show it in your area. I tuned in last night only to find it wasn't on. So I checked their website. Can't find that episode listed anywhere

Oh no! Captain, I wonder if it will still be shown in my area tomorrow morning. This is what the schedule now says will air,

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&showId=173089

but I don't think this is the same "Decoding" episode mentioned when I checked the schedule yesterday.
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 06:08 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Tin foil hat alert. I found this pic on Perezhilton.com site.

Brandon Flowers on the set of the new Killers video for Read My Mind.

Tin Foil Hats
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Posted: Jan 26 @ 07:59 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all! Island Lilly, I'm so sorry to hear about your accident, but I'm very glad you're okay.

i'm up to chapter 9 in Watchmen - I'll try to finish it tomorrow and can't wait to tak about it!

Off to watch Spirited Away for the tenth time with my daughter - I live that movie.

See you guys this weekend, I hope. My husband and I have a night alone (no kids) - any movie suggestions? Fil said Pan's Labarynth was fantastc - maybe I'll see that? Unless someone has other ideas?
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 03:14 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Tin foil hat alert. I found this pic on Perezhilton.com site.

Brandon Flowers on the set of the new Killers video for Read My Mind.

Tin Foil Hats

LMAO!

Maybe that's what causes the whispers. Folks communicating telepathically via tinfoil tubes.
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 04:17 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi all! Island Lilly, I'm so sorry to hear about your accident, but I'm very glad you're okay.

i'm up to chapter 9 in Watchmen - I'll try to finish it tomorrow and can't wait to tak about it!

Off to watch Spirited Away for the tenth time with my daughter - I live that movie.

See you guys this weekend, I hope. My husband and I have a night alone (no kids) - any movie suggestions? Fil said Pan's Labarynth was fantastc - maybe I'll see that? Unless someone has other ideas?

Hi Lucky, LOL at you living Spirited Away. Who knew Studio Ghibli would take over your life?

As for film recommendations, I haven't seen many theater films this winter so I'm not much help. However, for sheer, glorious spectacle nothing tops 'Curse of the Golden Flower.' I think it's nominated for costume and set design Oscars. But the story is convoluted and somewhat unsatisfying, IMHO. Still, there's all that fabric. Miles and miles of sumptuous silk fabric.
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 04:32 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Speaking of movie recommendations, Captain, today I'm going to be watching the one you recommended, 'Travelers and Magicians.'

I was doing some digging and it turns out a documentary has been made about the director, Dzongsar Khyentse Norbu Rinpoche, called 'Words of my Perfect Teacher.'

This is becoming as intriguing and complicated as LOST.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film-reviews/words-of-my-perfect-teacher/2005/10/04/1128391225646.html

also (scroll down)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/12/22/DDGKEN39IA1.DTL&type=movies
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Posted: Jan 27 @ 04:34 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Saturday!

No work today! Movies to watch, graphic novels to read. Hooray!
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11 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

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Posted: Jan 23 @ 05:22 PM
by: Lightcan (73 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 04, 2006
BG,

It's really late for me (1.23 am) so I'll be very short.
I'm happy that you and Seek came over to our thread (t8r's) and said hello. I'm all for putting our minds together. I remember seeing that document long ago.
I understand your desire to preserve your privacy.

All the best to all joopers.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 11:53 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

So what if this time, just like last time, the tides are gonna rise in about two weeks? But unlike last time when Desmond eventually pushed the button, the tides are really really gonna rise? That would make the Losties catastrophically screwed, IMHO.

Oh, I like this. I've been having fantasies of Danielle and Hurley taking a road trip in the new car, with Sayid and Vincent eating sausages in the back seat and cruising for nubile Others with rigid t!ts, but now I'm switching gears with visions of them on the Black Rock sailing through the jungle.

Hurley: Yo - Sayid, matey, I'll give you twenty million bucks to shimmy up to the crow's nest and moon all those scurvy Others at the ferry dock.

Sayid: Come to think of it, if I reconfigure the oscilloscope I salvaged from the Swan, rewire the broken defibrillator Danielle caught with her ingenious banyan root fishing pole, and can remove the engine and propeller from the Beechcraft the next time we float over the Pearl, I can reverse engineer the flux capacitor of one of the many dipole antenna arrays in the trees that are fortunately now at eye level and, if I've correctly triangulated the signal --

Danielle: (knocking Hurley out of the way) Lookout! Merde!

(too late -- a bird flies over lucky Hurley and sprays a sticky deposit on his head.)

Danielle: (turns as a grey parrot perches on her shoulder) Well, well, it's that wayward parrot, Brennan, coming home to roost.

Brennan: (squawk) No place like HOME! No place like HOME!

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Posted: Jan 24 @ 12:18 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

This is for Lucky

Hi, I admire all your work and your theories. I hope you can get back on your feet quickly after the loss of your hard drive.
I was wondering if you remember seeing something in the smoke as it retreats out of the hole it wanted to take Locke into. I saw a screen cap on another forum that had 2 or three visible heads in it. The person describing the screen cap said they were kids.
The other question refers to the Whisperers. Are you familiar with the Whispers thread on the Fuselage? I think you might be. There are some transcripts that suggest that there might be dead people involved, like Boone. How would you include that in your theory about kids and remote viewing?

Hi Lightcan, I just read this -- thank you so much -- you made my day, even in the middle of the night!

Drat, I wish I had my trove of screencaps to go back and look, but I do remember making screencaps of that and discussing it. So yes, I did see images in that smoke, especially after they threw the dynamite into the hole. I can't remember if I saw kids, but now I'd be interested to go back and look. I try to refrain from going on about this, but I'm absolutely certain that there are layered images of kids in scenes in the jungle and scenes with the smoke, visions, etc. They are all over the place, and very consistent in the way they're presented and positioned, looking through scopes and viewers.

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Posted: Jan 24 @ 12:19 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
(cont'd to Lightcan)

I never believed in the idea of remote viewing as something they'd use on the show until I started seeing this stuff, but now I can only think that somehow they're training kids (maybe special kids to begin with, I have no idea) to use the magnetic field strength, whatever "material" is unique to the island, and their "mind's eye" to manipulate and create things on the island. I am literally only going by what I'm seeing, I haven't figured out how it works, but I'm piecing it together somewhat. I'll post more when I have screencaps. Even though no one ever sees what I see in my screencaps, I always wait until at least I'm sure of what I'm seeing.

Re: the Whispers, I've read the Fuselage thread avidly and my thinking is that the Whisperers are the remote viewers (the kids) and the adults who are working with them. It's the adults who speak, mostly, but once in a while it seems that a child pipes in. I also think they're stationed in more than one place (maybe those CV stations). There may be one central location from which the smoke is operated, but I think the rv kids are strategically placed.

I don't know what to think about the dead people. My thought would be that the voices are just imitating expressions heard (through rv) from Boone, etc. in the past, not that the dead are present themselves. But who knows.

Tomorrow I'll get out my dvds and look at Exodus and the smoke. I'm curious!

By the way, do you have a link to the thread where the poster saw the kids in the smoke? Now that's one thread I'd like to read!
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 01:19 AM
by: Lightcan (73 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 04, 2006

By the way, do you have a link to the thread where the poster saw the kids in the smoke? Now that's one thread I'd like to read!

Hi Lucky,

It's not a thread about the Smoke, it's about the crash, so it might not be what you're hoping for. Have a look at the Wraith kids:

http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=21692&page=2

It says in another post on that page that the time stamp is 46.18. I think that's for that screencap.
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 02:26 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

BG,

It's really late for me (1.23 am) so I'll be very short.
I'm happy that you and Seek came over to our thread (t8r's) and said hello. I'm all for putting our minds together. I remember seeing that document long ago.
I understand your desire to preserve your privacy.

All the best to all joopers.

Hi Lightcan, I enjoy t8r's thread - I just wish I had more time so that I could stay up with it. Thanks for the good wishes and thanks for understanding about my need to preserve privacy.
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 02:32 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Oh, I like this. I've been having fantasies of Danielle and Hurley taking a road trip in the new car, with Sayid and Vincent eating sausages in the back seat and cruising for nubile Others with rigid t!ts, but now I'm switching gears with visions of them on the Black Rock sailing through the jungle.

Hurley: Yo - Sayid, matey, I'll give you twenty million bucks to shimmy up to the crow's nest and moon all those scurvy Others at the ferry dock.

Sayid: Come to think of it, if I reconfigure the oscilloscope I salvaged from the Swan, rewire the broken defibrillator Danielle caught with her ingenious banyan root fishing pole, and can remove the engine and propeller from the Beechcraft the next time we float over the Pearl, I can reverse engineer the flux capacitor of one of the many dipole antenna arrays in the trees that are fortunately now at eye level and, if I've correctly triangulated the signal --

Danielle: (knocking Hurley out of the way) Lookout! Merde!

(too late -- a bird flies over lucky Hurley and sprays a sticky deposit on his head.)

Danielle: (turns as a grey parrot perches on her shoulder) Well, well, it's that wayward parrot, Brennan, coming home to roost.

Brennan: (squawk) No place like HOME! No place like HOME!

~~~

Hi Lucky, great bad fiction scenario!

I've had a little bad fiction on the brain, too. Maybe a little something featuring Benry and Hurley. "Crouching Omelette, Hidden Bacon."
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 02:51 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Wednesday.

Two more weeks!

And now a new public service feature called "In Five Seconds." This is for all the busy people in the world and brought to you without commercial interruption by Joop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1MF97d2Ayg&mode=related&search=
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 03:00 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Ooooh, juicy spoiler about an upcoming episode.

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1496145&forumStart=0
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 09:05 AM
by: oldpolitico (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 06, 2005

So yes, I did see images in that smoke, especially after they threw the dynamite into the hole. I can't remember if I saw kids, but now I'd be interested to go back and look.

Re: the Whispers, I've read the Fuselage thread avidly and my thinking is that the Whisperers are the remote viewers (the kids) and the adults who are working with them. It's the adults who speak, mostly, but once in a while it seems that a child pipes in. I also think they're stationed in more than one place (maybe those CV stations). There may be one central location from which the smoke is operated, but I think the rv kids are strategically placed.

I don't know what to think about the dead people. My thought would be that the voices are just imitating expressions heard (through rv) from Boone, etc. in the past, not that the dead are present themselves. But who knows.

You've just given me a thought:

I used to study the transcripts of the Whisperers, too ... but I never connected it with the smoke. Doesn't it seem that the smoke imitates what it's seen it the same way that the Whisperers imitate what they've heard?

Of course, the smoke apparently can read a person's thoughts. Have the Whisperers shown that ability? Perhaps.

Could they both be manifestations of the same thing? Are the whispers and the smoke the same thing? Hmmmm ...

Then maybe the wild, unseen children are "sick" with psychic abilities, and being led by Patchy. Our Others are trying to defeat him.

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Posted: Jan 24 @ 09:58 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Opera Alert! 'The Magic Flute' tonight on PBS
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 10:30 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Found this on YouTube. Thought you might enjoy!

Vader of the Opera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97ztLmxH8A
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 10:43 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Found this on YouTube. Thought you might enjoy!

Vader of the Opera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97ztLmxH8A

Wow! That was really good!
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 12:16 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Wow! That was really good!

I'm impressed too! I don't know how to make a video, let alone mix the sound for it. And they also wrote their own lyrics and sang on that video! Wow is right!
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 04:16 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

And now a new public service feature called "In Five Seconds." This is for all the busy people in the world and brought to you without commercial interruption by Joop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1MF97d2Ayg&mode=related&search=

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Posted: Jan 24 @ 04:26 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi all, long day at work today. Yuck. Work is evil.

Captain, I checked my local listings and the pbs station isn't airing Magic Pan tonight, but it's on this Saturday.

Zen, that video is wild!

Old Politico, I used to have a theory about the whispers, but right now I can't remember what it was.
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 04:34 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Captain, I checked my local listings and the pbs station isn't airing Magic Pan tonight, but it's on this Saturday.

You must be hungry.

Glad you found it before broadcast night.
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 04:52 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005

Damn! Thought I'd "lost" you guys! Guess you all decided to find some polar bears and see for yourselves!

JOOP! Bring the Brandy!!! And stoke the fire!

Rats! Forgot about the dogs.... Be right back....

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Posted: Jan 24 @ 06:50 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Sneaker! Glad you made it back! I've been thinking about you all week. Sit down by the fire and warm your toes.

I've got the dogs fed and bedded down. And for you there's brandy, cigars, and anything you want from the kitchen. Wicked cold out, eh?
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Posted: Jan 24 @ 07:31 PM
by: Sneaker123 (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I think George ate the dogs.....
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:22 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Captain, I checked my local listings and the pbs station isn't airing Magic Pan tonight, but it's on this Saturday.

You must be hungry.

Glad you found it before broadcast night.

LOL, Captain, what was I thinking? Magic Pan? I meant Magic Flute. I must have been hungry just like you said.
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:23 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Thursday.

It's cold! Brrrrrrrrrr

Although it's probably a little early to be thinking about our next move, I'm voting we take the Joop Castle someplace warm next time.

13 days
16 hours
28 minutes
37 seconds

I can't wait!

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Posted: Jan 25 @ 02:37 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Good morning, Joopers. Happy Sunday.

spoilery talk

T
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K

I may have identified the vehicle type the key belongs to.
Both are old model Volkswagens - one's the classic Beetle aka bug and the other's the classic van. Here's a couple of pics of the keys. (Click to enlarge)

The VW bug key (1954-1967)
http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=129_140&products_id=845&osCsid=90a2bc5d53872a03d8cb2dafc83be661

The VW bus key (1950-1966)
http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=129_140&products_id=851&osCsid=90a2bc5d53872a03d8cb2dafc83be661

And the LOST key screencap for comparison
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RbCrkzJbOTI/AAAAAAAAAJE/R5fmtb1Jivo/s1600-h/xxlm1011-tn.jpg

Picture of VW beetle aka bug
http://www.classiccamber.com/1965.html

LOL, is this Gerald DeGroot?
http://www.geocities.com/jimsjournal/pix/beetle01.jpg

Picture of VW bus
http://www.motorkars.com/images/cars_for_sale/1968_vw_bus_red_front_corner_02.jpg

done

Well what do you know? Once in a while I get something right.

Spoiler pic in this link.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-promo-coming-soon-vw-car.html
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 08:27 AM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

Well what do you know? Once in a while I get something right.

Spoiler pic in this link.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-promo-coming-soon-vw-car.html

Bravo, bg!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 08:42 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005
Good detective work Bg ! All your hard work looking for that key paid off ! Wooh HooH !
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 09:27 AM
by: oldpolitico (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 06, 2005
George
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 10:32 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Afternoon Joopers!

Great find BG! I don't think I'd have the patience you had to find that key! LOL

Watched Magic Flute and really enjoyed the costumes and puppets. It is going to air again on Monday night twice! Yay!

Here's a link from PBS for Magic Flute:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/gpatmet/magicflute.html

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Posted: Jan 25 @ 11:44 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005
Hi Joopers ! I didn't know if anyone saw this," Lost the Final Episode" so I thought i would bring it here. It's pretty funny, so here you go :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bbWF_F8-s
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 12:42 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
I just saw that the History channel has a program on tonight called Decoding the Past about the Tibetan Book of the Dead!
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Posted: Jan 25 @ 12:50 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Hi Joopers ! I didn't know if anyone saw this," Lost the Final Episode" so I thought i would bring it here. It's pretty funny, so here you go :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bbWF_F8-s

What's CES?

Maybe we could get them to film some of our bad fanfic stories!
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10 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

2007-10-31T06:17:00.001-07:00

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Posted: Jan 22 @ 09:28 AM
by: seekaterun (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 16, 2005

It snows in Hawaii on the highest peaks. So snow in the tropics is not unheard of. (Mostly, this was just me playing 'what if...') I try to stay away from time travel/dimensional rift theories--that way lies madness

More about assumptions about the Penny scene.

We assume the events on the island are causing the anomoly that the guys are detecting. But this event could be happening in the past or the future, they could be detecting something else altogether.

We assume that because we saw Penny, she is real and in the world. But wouldn't Desmond, thinking he was going to die, imagine the most wonderful thing possible--that Penny had found him and was coming to rescue him? Maybe his wanting it so desperately (and a big ole EM explosion) made it so. Maybe with a thought, he created a new outside world.

Good afternoon Joopers !

Captain, thank you for explaining to me about how they could possibly be on the same Island ! I gotcha now ! I never even consider the fact that the Island could actually have high peaks with snow. Duh, I feel silly ! ~ But no, I really can't wrap my head around the whole time travel/rift theories, way too complicated for me. I thought if that was what you were thinking though, I would still like to hear your thoughts. Thanks again ! ~ seek
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 10:04 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Hi Captain, I've never seen this film, but it sounds great and I've added it to my queue. I'll have it by next weekend. Thanks for the suggestion.

Be sure to watch the extra features on the dvd too. I find the idea of a reincarnated Tibetan saint who is also a film director to be fantastic
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 12:07 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006

Finished Ender's Game. What a read! Just saving the world, and six year olds. I'll never look at these things in the same light again. Wow! Put a hold on Speaker of the Dead. I'll pick it up tomorrow at DPL.

remember 'the enemy's gate is always down'
just in case you need any help orienting
in all this snow!

i am a fellow denverite suffering the fifth weekend in a row of snowstorms

when did i move to minnesota?

speaker of the dead is really good too!
loved that series
thanks to captianaeon for the recommend
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 12:13 PM
by: sweetsayid (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 16, 2006
speaking of good books
has everyone finished The Watchmen?

no spoilers
just that i finished reading it late at night and thought the end was crazy
had to reread the last chapter in broad daylight
and have some thoughts about it

artwork was brilliant
the writing was fantastic
the multi-layered stories were amazing
it was truly a great read - thanks joopers!
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 01:29 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi all! Wow, I missed some good discussion this weekend. I'm about 1/3 of the way through Watchmen - I'll try to speed it up. Fil also lent me The Prisoner, so I'm trying to watch those too.

Re: the two guys in LTDA: didn't we hear that they were supposed to be out on some kind of rig? They could be out at sea, on top of a big drilling installation or something. I'm very intrigued by that comment by TPTB - what could be a twist we haven't thought of?
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 01:56 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Good afternoon Joopers !

Captain, thank you for explaining to me about how they could possibly be on the same Island ! I gotcha now ! I never even consider the fact that the Island could actually have high peaks with snow. Duh, I feel silly ! ~ But no, I really can't wrap my head around the whole time travel/rift theories, way too complicated for me. I thought if that was what you were thinking though, I would still like to hear your thoughts. Thanks again ! ~ seek

Hi Seek!
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 01:59 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Be sure to watch the extra features on the dvd too. I find the idea of a reincarnated Tibetan saint who is also a film director to be fantastic

Will do, Captain. I love the idea too. How fascinating is that? I'm sure if he were on the red carpet he'd have something way more interesting to say that who he's wearing.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:02 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

speaking of good books
has everyone finished The Watchmen?

no spoilers
just that i finished reading it late at night and thought the end was crazy
had to reread the last chapter in broad daylight
and have some thoughts about it

artwork was brilliant
the writing was fantastic
the multi-layered stories were amazing
it was truly a great read - thanks joopers!

Hi Sweet, I'm still on chapter 8. Looks like I need to take a day off work to finish it. Real-life keeps interfering with my reading time. Plus, I can't stop myself from pondering every frame. I stare at each drawing like I'm hypnotized or something. I've never seen anything like it.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:08 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Hi all! Wow, I missed some good discussion this weekend. I'm about 1/3 of the way through Watchmen - I'll try to speed it up. Fil also lent me The Prisoner, so I'm trying to watch those too.

Re: the two guys in LTDA: didn't we hear that they were supposed to be out on some kind of rig? They could be out at sea, on top of a big drilling installation or something. I'm very intrigued by that comment by TPTB - what could be a twist we haven't thought of?

Hi Lucky, I remember something about a rig, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed or just a rumor. Does anyone else remember it?

Also, can you take a look at these screencaps? In almost every shot of the two guys playing chess there's a framed picture of a woman in between them, and I can't tell if it's supposed to be "generic blonde girlfriend back home" or if it's someone we know. Penny? Juliet? Claire?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1385

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1382

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1393
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:17 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

zen and bg--Knowing your love of Asian cinema, I've been meaning to ask you if you've seen the movie 'Travellers and Magicians'. I watched it last week and am still thinking about it. The movie is lovely, but even more interesting is its writer/director--

Travellers and Magicians (Dzongkha: chang hup thengi thruel nang) is a 2003 Bhutanese Dzongkha language film written and directed by Khyentse Norbu, a reincarnate lama of Tibetan Buddhism, who is also known as Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche. The movie is the first feature film shot entirely in the kingdom of Bhutan. The majority of the cast are not professional actors; Dendup, a well-known Bhutanese radio actor and producer, is the exception. The movie breaks ground as the first to take a Himalayan Buddhist perspective, offering a unique insight into this culture from the inside.

Hi!

No I haven't seen this film. Reading your description, and then reviews of this film made me want to purchase it! I always love stories within stories! Also, the reincarnate lama sounds very intriguing. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 03:34 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Hi Sweet!

Cap's recommendations lately have been wonderful! I started reading Ender's Game and didn't put it down until I finished it (of course with the snow this past weekend, it was easy). Talk about intense! I can't wait to read Speaker!

We're having a heat wave now--32 degrees out! LOL
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 04:06 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
For everyone who has finished Watchmen--Here's again is the link to The Annotated Watchmen. Amazing amount of information that flew over my head the first 2 times I read the book

http://www.capnwacky.com/rj/watchmen/chapter1.html
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 07:36 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
Found a site with pics of a building similar to this view of the "observation room/plane/ship":

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1399

http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/people/williams/antarctic/Antweek2.html

Windows are not quite the same.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 10:02 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005

Hi Lucky, I remember something about a rig, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed or just a rumor. Does anyone else remember it?

Also, can you take a look at these screencaps? In almost every shot of the two guys playing chess there's a framed picture of a woman in between them, and I can't tell if it's supposed to be "generic blonde girlfriend back home" or if it's someone we know. Penny? Juliet? Claire?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1385

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1382

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1393

Hi guys. Bg, I looked at all of those and I just can't tell. I think it's the ghost nanny.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 10:04 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Captain, that's a great Watchmen site! I'm going to try and finish by the weekend, but I can't make any promises. Like Bg, I keep getting distracted by the graphics.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:39 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LncshrLassinMi: Found a site with pics of a building similar to this view of the "observation room/plane/ship":
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1399
http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/people/williams/antarctic/Antweek2.html

Sold! Great find.

Zen: We're having a heat wave now--32 degrees out! LOL

Oh my! Get out the iced-tea and the swimsuits! Seriously, though, I'm glad you're getting a break from the horrible weather you've been having.

Captain: For everyone who has finished Watchmen--Here's again is the link to The Annotated Watchmen. Amazing amount of information that flew over my head the first 2 times I read the book

http://www.capnwacky.com/rj/watchmen/chapter1.html

Hi Captain, thanks for the link again. I feel like I'm missing about half of the info this first time through. As Locke would say, I'll want to watch - er - read that again at a later date.

Lucky: Hi guys. Bg, I looked at all of those and I just can't tell. I think it's the ghost nanny.

LOL with the ghost nanny. Speaking of ghost nanny, has anyone seen Sneaker lately? I'm on the fence about the picture's significance. Could be something. Or could be nothing.

Lucky: I'm going to try and finish by the weekend, but I can't make any promises. Like Bg, I keep getting distracted by the graphics.

I hope to be finished by this weekend as well, if not sooner. Speaking of graphics, this is my first graphic novel and I am stunned and amazed by how the characters' images seem frozen in place even while the characters' thoughts seems to move. Unlike a regular novel in which everything is fluid in a reader's imagination, and unlike a motion picture in which the characters move about even while we don't necessarily have access to their thoughts, the ability of a graphic novel to present perfectly still images while the action and the character's thoughts move is unnerving and provocative all at the same time.

It's a brand new way to experience story, at least to me.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:43 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers. Happy Tuesday.

15 days
16 hours
23 minutes
42 seconds

I might as well face it I'm Addicted to LOST!

Yeeeeessss!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnD-TTEDPQ
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:55 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
BTW, I've started a thread asking for LOST promo song predictions should another promo air during the Superbowl next week.

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=1494731

Have a Joopity Joop Joop day!
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 03:15 AM
by: Lightcan (73 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 04, 2006
Oh, BG, that youtube clip was fun. I didn't expect it but I laughed at the end. ( I thought another mixture of clips with music, yeah, big deal)

When were you born? Does that music say anything to you? I remember seeing that Robert Palmer video clip when I was a teen-ager/in my 20s.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 03:17 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Drat, I'll be late for work, but I just had this tinfoil idea in the shower.

Regarding the catastrophically screwed comment and the two guys at ice station zebra and the Penny phone call, etc.

Does anyone remember the weird ocean level stuff in season one? About two weeks after the crash, the tides kept rising and eventually the fuselage section was swept away and the Losties had to move their camp up the beach.

So what if that weird tide thingy was a result of Desmond's failure to push the button that time? he was outside chasing Inman and almost didn't make it back and according to him he caused the plane to crash.

Flash forward a few months. Desmond turns the failsafe key and the purple sky thingy happens. The two ice station monitor guys phone Penny because they detected the electromagnetic anomoly this time.

So what if this time, just like last time, the tides are gonna rise in about two weeks? But unlike last time when Desmond eventually pushed the button, the tides are really really gonna rise? That would make the Losties catastrophically screwed, IMHO.

Sorry I didn't have time to write this out more coherently, but I think this plausibly explains a catastrophic screwing that isn't immediately apparent. Just like in season one, there's about a two week delay. Why a delay? I don't know. Maybe a big chunk of Antarctica breaks off and melts or something. I'm dashing out the door.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 07:16 AM
by: Lightcan (73 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 04, 2006
This is for Lucky

Hi, I admire all your work and your theories. I hope you can get back on your feet quickly after the loss of your hard drive.
I was wondering if you remember seeing something in the smoke as it retreats out of the hole it wanted to take Locke into. I saw a screen cap on another forum that had 2 or three visible heads in it. The person describing the screen cap said they were kids.
The other question refers to the Whisperers. Are you familiar with the Whispers thread on the Fuselage? I think you might be. There are some transcripts that suggest that there might be dead people involved, like Boone. How would you include that in your theory about kids and remote viewing?
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 09:42 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
George!
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 10:32 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Does anyone remember the weird ocean level stuff in season one? About two weeks after the crash, the tides kept rising and eventually the fuselage section was swept away and the Losties had to move their camp up the beach.

I'm not saying the rising tide won't be incorporated into the story, but the real reason the tide rose was because they had to explain why the fuselage disappeared. That set couldn't remain on the beach permanently.

About constellations--I was looking through an old atlas last night and found star charts for northern, southern hemispheres and the equatorial region. The constellation Draco cannot be seen from anywhere but the northern hemisphere. So if that screen cap is not a mistake, the island is much further north than we have been lead to believe.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:30 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Does anyone remember the weird ocean level stuff in season one? About two weeks after the crash, the tides kept rising and eventually the fuselage section was swept away and the Losties had to move their camp up the beach.

I'm not saying the rising tide won't be incorporated into the story, but the real reason the tide rose was because they had to explain why the fuselage disappeared. That set couldn't remain on the beach permanently.

About constellations--I was looking through an old atlas last night and found star charts for northern, southern hemispheres and the equatorial region. The constellation Draco cannot be seen from anywhere but the northern hemisphere. So if that screen cap is not a mistake, the island is much further north than we have been lead to believe.

Hi Captain, LOL, a lot of things happen on LOST for very pragmatic reasons such as the removal of the fuselage section you described. I won't be surprised if nothing is ever made of the weird tides and weird weather comments from season I. The weather comments occurred, IMHO, because of torrential downpours that occurred during filming.

But if they do want to take it someplace, they could work it in as I mentioned above, or in any number of other ways - it's very advantageous to the writers to have ten-zillion loose ends/red herrings.

But oh dear, I'm sorry to hear about Draco. I read somewhere (if my memory is working right) that the North Star aka Polaris could be seen from any place on earth and I assumed that Draco could be as well, being so close to the North Star. Maybe my memory is wrong or maybe it's just the North Star that can be seen.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:31 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
bg waves hello to Zen.

I'm off to do some more reading. Watchmen, here I come.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 02:51 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Oh, BG, that youtube clip was fun. I didn't expect it but I laughed at the end. ( I thought another mixture of clips with music, yeah, big deal)

When were you born? Does that music say anything to you? I remember seeing that Robert Palmer video clip when I was a teen-ager/in my 20s.

Hi Lightcan, that's one of my favorite LOST vids. It aired during last year's Superbowl and we fans went crazy. I still do. I just love it.

And I love Robert Palmer. I was very saddened by his passing.

Also, I appreciate your asking, but I don't reveal personal information such as age, gender, location, etc. Like Alvar Hanso, I'm driven by a need for privacy. Actually, I write for a living, but I'd be laughed out of my profession if anyone saw my crazy fan fiction and some of my other LOST shenanigans, for example the Farts on a Plane vids.

I hope you understand.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 03:05 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
But oh dear, I'm sorry to hear about Draco. I read somewhere (if my memory is working right) that the North Star aka Polaris could be seen from any place on earth and I assumed that Draco could be as well, being so close to the North Star. Maybe my memory is wrong or maybe it's just the North Star that can be seen.

Nope, no North Star from the Southern Hemisphere. According to this NASA site (about 5 paragraphs from the bottom)--

Inhabitants of the Southern Hemisphere can't see Polaris, even if they just live one degree south of the Equator,

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020322.htm

This site, however, says that Draco can be visible seasonally in the Southern Hemisphere

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/stars/constellations.shtml

So, through the miraculous power of the internet, we have proven once again that we can indeed know everything, yet understand nothing.
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 03:36 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

But oh dear, I'm sorry to hear about Draco. I read somewhere (if my memory is working right) that the North Star aka Polaris could be seen from any place on earth and I assumed that Draco could be as well, being so close to the North Star. Maybe my memory is wrong or maybe it's just the North Star that can be seen.

Nope, no North Star from the Southern Hemisphere. According to this NASA site (about 5 paragraphs from the bottom)--

Inhabitants of the Southern Hemisphere can't see Polaris, even if they just live one degree south of the Equator,

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020322.htm

This site, however, says that Draco can be visible seasonally in the Southern Hemisphere

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/stars/constellations.shtml

So, through the miraculous power of the internet, we have proven once again that we can indeed know everything, yet understand nothing.

LOL, Captain!

TPTB have confirmed in one of their press releases that the island is in the South Pacific, and if the constellation can appear in the sky as it did in the beach shot from season I, then dammit it can appear in the South Pacific. Who are we gonna believe? Those silly folks at NASA? Or the astronomy experts who write the show and do CGI?

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Posted: Jan 23 @ 03:40 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Who are we gonna believe? Those silly folks at NASA? Or the astronomy experts who write the show and do CGI?

From now on, anything I don't understand is going directly into 'The Magic Turtle did it!' box!
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Posted: Jan 23 @ 04:04 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

From now on, anything I don't understand is going directly into 'The Magic Turtle did it!' box!

LOL! Me too! I'd better get myself a really big box, one big enough to hold that load of - ahem - that rigorously scientific info about the "geographically unique magnetism building up and having to be released every 108 minutes."

All this to say, if the writers play fast and loose with scientific fact and the laws of physics, we can too.

Off I go to read Watchmen.

book talk spoiler space

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Hooray! Dr. Manhattan just reappeared.

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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:17 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

The power of intention! I love it!

Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--

Jack--'You want me to save your life?'

Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:18 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--

Jack--'You want me to save your life?'

Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'

Exactly!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:46 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006

But why they would be washing their socks and hanging them on a line to dry inside an airplane I cannot say.

Unless the airplane was not longer in the air...as in...crashed/landed???
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:47 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

They may be in a plane, but it is on the ground (IMO)and has been coverted into housing (another hint it is on the island?). Notice the tubes and the insulation covering the walls and ceiling--

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1399

Was there any discussion about this screencap from the Penny scene? The guy gets her number from a long list of emergency numbers. I think this means something, but I don't know what--

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1396

Hi Captain, the plane idea was just me trying to come up with something new. I dunno if it is a plane or not. But the windows look very thick and the rest looks sort of flimsy, kind of like one of those temporary army shelters or something. It's probably nothing.

But regarding that screencap and the list of emergency numbers, I don't think we discussed that last spring. It looks like a SOP corporate or military handbook.

Did you see any emergency numbers? I see one small thing under "Emergency numbers" but I think the rest is a table of contents. Could all those things listed on that page have separate pages with emergency contact numbers? That doesn't sound right. In a true emergency he world could blow up while you were thumbing through the manual for the right person to call. LOL, maybe they're beurocrats.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:49 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006

They may be in a plane, but it is on the ground (IMO)and has been coverted into housing (another hint it is on the island?).

oops. sorry. i guess i should read the whole thing before opening the big maw, huh?
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:49 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Interesting....

If you enlarge the page you can see something like this:

Line 3: Responsibilities of Emergency Coordinator and Safety Monitors.

Line 4: ..........Signaling Building occupants in case of fire or other emergency.

Line 5:.....Procedures for Building occupants.

Line 8: .......... Procedures for Emergency Evacuation.

Sounds more like a complex, or at the very least a large building.

You have good eyes! It does sound a bit too elaborate for just two guys in a hut with their laundry hanging all over the place.

I don't know what to make of it. Very strange.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:55 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

It snows in Hawaii on the highest peaks. So snow in the tropics is not unheard of. (Mostly, this was just me playing 'what if...') I try to stay away from time travel/dimensional rift theories--that way lies madness

More about assumptions about the Penny scene.

We assume the events on the island are causing the anomoly that the guys are detecting. But this event could be happening in the past or the future, they could be detecting something else altogether.

We assume that because we saw Penny, she is real and in the world. But wouldn't Desmond, thinking he was going to die, imagine the most wonderful thing possible--that Penny had found him and was coming to rescue him? Maybe his wanting it so desperately (and a big ole EM explosion) made it so. Maybe with a thought, he created a new outside world.

Seek, I'm in agreement with Captain that I don't want to go down any time travel/time rifts unless I'm absolutely backed into a corner with no other option.

Captain, your points about our assumptions are excellent. We don't know that the events on the island are causing the anomoly the guys detected. We don't know when this is taking place, and we don't know for sure if Penny is real, although TPTB have indicated that she is.

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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:56 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

The power of intention! I love it!

Zen, I love it too. If only we were writing the show.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:01 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Probably lots of people there. Wonder what they are all doing.

Hi Captain, There could be lots of different experiments and stuff going on somewhat independently. Wouldn't it be wild if these two guys are on a frozen mountain peak on the island and have no idea what's going on below.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:03 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: Spoiler talk Watchmen influence

LOL, I'm not looking!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:05 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--

Jack--'You want me to save your life?'

Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'

Exactly! Did you see the post on page 16 about Clockwork Orange?
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:05 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005

You have good eyes! It does sound a bit too elaborate for just two guys in a hut with their laundry hanging all over the place.

I don't know what to make of it. Very strange.

Thanks. Wonder why they used a phone to make contact with Penny. Seemed out of place with their surroundings.....unless she is in a below ground level building, lol!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:08 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Unless the airplane was not longer in the air...as in...crashed/landed???

Hi Little Rosie! Long time no see!

I don't know what to make of the shelter thingy the two guys were in. It had so many pipes and conduits and electrical outlets it's hard to think of it as an airplane. But those thick windows are troubling. But perhaps they are standard on buildings in extremely cold areas, even low-rent looking shelters like this one. I dunno. I'm stumped.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:11 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Thanks. Wonder why they used a phone to make contact with Penny. Seemed out of place with their surroundings.....unless she is in a below ground level building, lol!

LOL, you know, the more I look at and think about that scene the more bizarre it gets. A weird space heater, laundry on a line, a newer computer monitor, an old looking phone - and that weird emergency manual page. Very very strange. Plus, it was daytime where the two guys were, and it was the middle of the night, presumably, where Penny was.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:21 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004

Zen: Spoiler talk Watchmen influence

LOL, I'm not looking!

I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:23 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005

I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)

Sorry, I'll delete the post.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:30 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)

LOL, that's about right Captain. At least our Zen was thoughtful and used spoiler courtesy space.

But I'm horrified everytime I see that one spoiler link that purports to be a synopsis of "Not in Portland." I like spoilers, but I don't want to know the whole episode. So every time I see that particular link I have to cover my eyes, toss the mouse away - you get the idea. I'm absolutely mortified that I'll accidentally see something I don't want to see when I go to Dark UFO's spoiler page. Or worse. That I'll give in to temptation and devour the synopsis.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:31 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

Sorry, I'll delete the post.

LOL, Zen, it's fine. Leave it. No worry. You were very polite with the spoiler space. No problem.

I just wanted you to know why I wasn't replying to you about whatever you'd posted in the spoiler. I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you so I posted a little comment about not looking.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:33 PM
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Sorry, I'll delete the post.

Didn't mean to sound harsh. I hope I did not offend.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:37 PM
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Didn't mean to sound harsh. I hope I did not offend.

No offence taken. I'll wait for everyone to read Watchmen.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:38 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Say, I just thought of something about the Penny scene. Assuming the detected anomoly was about the purple sky thingy, which happened in fall of 2004, this means crazy, evil Mittelwerk was still running Hanso. The Rachel Blake expose and the Alvar restoration didn't occur until summer 2006. Interesting.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:42 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Captain, Zen, here's a big (((((hug))))) for both of you.

I better get a few minutes sleep before my alarm goes off. Maybe someday I'll have a job working more normal hours.

bg
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G'night bg! G'night Cap!

(((((bg, cap)))))
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zen and bg--Knowing your love of Asian cinema, I've been meaning to ask you if you've seen the movie 'Travellers and Magicians'. I watched it last week and am still thinking about it. The movie is lovely, but even more interesting is its writer/director--

Travellers and Magicians (Dzongkha: chang hup thengi thruel nang) is a 2003 Bhutanese Dzongkha language film written and directed by Khyentse Norbu, a reincarnate lama of Tibetan Buddhism, who is also known as Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche. The movie is the first feature film shot entirely in the kingdom of Bhutan. The majority of the cast are not professional actors; Dendup, a well-known Bhutanese radio actor and producer, is the exception. The movie breaks ground as the first to take a Himalayan Buddhist perspective, offering a unique insight into this culture from the inside.
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G'night bg! G'night Cap!

(((((bg, cap)))))

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Posted: Jan 21 @ 08:34 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006

Hi Little Rosie! Long time no see!

:0) I'm always here, just usually fraternizing with the dust bunnies that are so hidden even our excellent butler and maid only clean them once a year. The Joop castle has a lot of hiding spots, and sometimes I just listen through the vents. :0)
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

zen and bg--Knowing your love of Asian cinema, I've been meaning to ask you if you've seen the movie 'Travellers and Magicians'. I watched it last week and am still thinking about it. The movie is lovely, but even more interesting is its writer/director--

Travellers and Magicians (Dzongkha: chang hup thengi thruel nang) is a 2003 Bhutanese Dzongkha language film written and directed by Khyentse Norbu, a reincarnate lama of Tibetan Buddhism, who is also known as Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche. The movie is the first feature film shot entirely in the kingdom of Bhutan. The majority of the cast are not professional actors; Dendup, a well-known Bhutanese radio actor and producer, is the exception. The movie breaks ground as the first to take a Himalayan Buddhist perspective, offering a unique insight into this culture from the inside.

Hi Captain, I've never seen this film, but it sounds great and I've added it to my queue. I'll have it by next weekend. Thanks for the suggestion.
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by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005

:0) I'm always here, just usually fraternizing with the dust bunnies that are so hidden even our excellent butler and maid only clean them once a year. The Joop castle has a lot of hiding spots, and sometimes I just listen through the vents. :0)

LOL, you're cracking me up!

It's really nice to see you again.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:18 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Monday.

From the Joop Countdown Clock:

16 days
16 hours
42 minutes
23 seconds

The hiatus will soon be over!

I LOVE THIS SHOW!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:17 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
The power of intention! I love it!
Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--Jack--'You want me to save your life?'Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:18 PM
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Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--Jack--'You want me to save your life?'Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'
Exactly!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:46 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
But why they would be washing their socks and hanging them on a line to dry inside an airplane I cannot say.
Unless the airplane was not longer in the air...as in...crashed/landed???
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:47 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
They may be in a plane, but it is on the ground (IMO)and has been coverted into housing (another hint it is on the island?). Notice the tubes and the insulation covering the walls and ceiling--http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1399Was there any discussion about this screencap from the Penny scene? The guy gets her number from a long list of emergency numbers. I think this means something, but I don't know what--http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1396
Hi Captain, the plane idea was just me trying to come up with something new. I dunno if it is a plane or not. But the windows look very thick and the rest looks sort of flimsy, kind of like one of those temporary army shelters or something. It's probably nothing. But regarding that screencap and the list of emergency numbers, I don't think we discussed that last spring. It looks like a SOP corporate or military handbook. Did you see any emergency numbers? I see one small thing under "Emergency numbers" but I think the rest is a table of contents. Could all those things listed on that page have separate pages with emergency contact numbers? That doesn't sound right. In a true emergency he world could blow up while you were thumbing through the manual for the right person to call. LOL, maybe they're beurocrats.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:49 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
They may be in a plane, but it is on the ground (IMO)and has been coverted into housing (another hint it is on the island?).
oops. sorry. i guess i should read the whole thing before opening the big maw, huh?
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:49 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Interesting....If you enlarge the page you can see something like this:Line 3: Responsibilities of Emergency Coordinator and Safety Monitors.Line 4: ..........Signaling Building occupants in case of fire or other emergency.Line 5:.....Procedures for Building occupants.Line 8: .......... Procedures for Emergency Evacuation.Sounds more like a complex, or at the very least a large building.
You have good eyes! It does sound a bit too elaborate for just two guys in a hut with their laundry hanging all over the place.I don't know what to make of it. Very strange.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:55 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
It snows in Hawaii on the highest peaks. So snow in the tropics is not unheard of. (Mostly, this was just me playing 'what if...') I try to stay away from time travel/dimensional rift theories--that way lies madness More about assumptions about the Penny scene.We assume the events on the island are causing the anomoly that the guys are detecting. But this event could be happening in the past or the future, they could be detecting something else altogether.We assume that because we saw Penny, she is real and in the world. But wouldn't Desmond, thinking he was going to die, imagine the most wonderful thing possible--that Penny had found him and was coming to rescue him? Maybe his wanting it so desperately (and a big ole EM explosion) made it so. Maybe with a thought, he created a new outside world.
Seek, I'm in agreement with Captain that I don't want to go down any time travel/time rifts unless I'm absolutely backed into a corner with no other option. Captain, your points about our assumptions are excellent. We don't know that the events on the island are causing the anomoly the guys detected. We don't know when this is taking place, and we don't know for sure if Penny is real, although TPTB have indicated that she is.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 05:56 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
The power of intention! I love it!
Zen, I love it too. If only we were writing the show.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:01 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Probably lots of people there. Wonder what they are all doing.
Hi Captain, There could be lots of different experiments and stuff going on somewhat independently. Wouldn't it be wild if these two guys are on a frozen mountain peak on the island and have no idea what's going on below.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:03 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: Spoiler talk Watchmen influenceLOL, I'm not looking!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:05 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Makes me think of the Ben and Jack scene--Jack--'You want me to save your life?'Ben--'I want you to want to save my life.'
Exactly! Did you see the post on page 16 about Clockwork Orange?
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:05 PM
by: LncshrLassinMI (313 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
You have good eyes! It does sound a bit too elaborate for just two guys in a hut with their laundry hanging all over the place.I don't know what to make of it. Very strange.
Thanks. Wonder why they used a phone to make contact with Penny. Seemed out of place with their surroundings.....unless she is in a below ground level building, lol!
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:08 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Unless the airplane was not longer in the air...as in...crashed/landed???
Hi Little Rosie! Long time no see! I don't know what to make of the shelter thingy the two guys were in. It had so many pipes and conduits and electrical outlets it's hard to think of it as an airplane. But those thick windows are troubling. But perhaps they are standard on buildings in extremely cold areas, even low-rent looking shelters like this one. I dunno. I'm stumped.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:11 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Thanks. Wonder why they used a phone to make contact with Penny. Seemed out of place with their surroundings.....unless she is in a below ground level building, lol!
LOL, you know, the more I look at and think about that scene the more bizarre it gets. A weird space heater, laundry on a line, a newer computer monitor, an old looking phone - and that weird emergency manual page. Very very strange. Plus, it was daytime where the two guys were, and it was the middle of the night, presumably, where Penny was.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:21 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Zen: Spoiler talk Watchmen influenceLOL, I'm not looking!
I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:23 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)
Sorry, I'll delete the post.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:30 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I'm not going to start posting Watchmen talk until we are all ready. I want everybody to be able to participate. (Imagines BG hiding his eyes, trying not to peak through his fingers)
LOL, that's about right Captain. At least our Zen was thoughtful and used spoiler courtesy space. But I'm horrified everytime I see that one spoiler link that purports to be a synopsis of "Not in Portland." I like spoilers, but I don't want to know the whole episode. So every time I see that particular link I have to cover my eyes, toss the mouse away - you get the idea. I'm absolutely mortified that I'll accidentally see something I don't want to see when I go to Dark UFO's spoiler page. Or worse. That I'll give in to temptation and devour the synopsis.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:31 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Sorry, I'll delete the post.
LOL, Zen, it's fine. Leave it. No worry. You were very polite with the spoiler space. No problem. I just wanted you to know why I wasn't replying to you about whatever you'd posted in the spoiler. I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you so I posted a little comment about not looking.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:33 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Sorry, I'll delete the post.
Didn't mean to sound harsh. I hope I did not offend.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:37 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Didn't mean to sound harsh. I hope I did not offend.
No offence taken. I'll wait for everyone to read Watchmen.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:38 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Say, I just thought of something about the Penny scene. Assuming the detected anomoly was about the purple sky thingy, which happened in fall of 2004, this means crazy, evil Mittelwerk was still running Hanso. The Rachel Blake expose and the Alvar restoration didn't occur until summer 2006. Interesting.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:42 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Captain, Zen, here's a big (((((hug))))) for both of you. I better get a few minutes sleep before my alarm goes off. Maybe someday I'll have a job working more normal hours. bg
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:44 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
G'night bg! G'night Cap! (((((bg, cap)))))
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:49 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
zen and bg--Knowing your love of Asian cinema, I've been meaning to ask you if you've seen the movie 'Travellers and Magicians'. I watched it last week and am still thinking about it. The movie is lovely, but even more interesting is its writer/director--Travellers and Magicians (Dzongkha: chang hup thengi thruel nang) is a 2003 Bhutanese Dzongkha language film written and directed by Khyentse Norbu, a reincarnate lama of Tibetan Buddhism, who is also known as Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche. The movie is the first feature film shot entirely in the kingdom of Bhutan. The majority of the cast are not professional actors; Dendup, a well-known Bhutanese radio actor and producer, is the exception. The movie breaks ground as the first to take a Himalayan Buddhist perspective, offering a unique insight into this culture from the inside.
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 06:50 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
G'night bg! G'night Cap! (((((bg, cap)))))
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Posted: Jan 21 @ 08:34 PM
by: Little_Rosie7 (14 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 02, 2006
Hi Little Rosie! Long time no see!
:0) I'm always here, just usually fraternizing with the dust bunnies that are so hidden even our excellent butler and maid only clean them once a year. The Joop castle has a lot of hiding spots, and sometimes I just listen through the vents. :0)
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:13 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
zen and bg--Knowing your love of Asian cinema, I've been meaning to ask you if you've seen the movie 'Travellers and Magicians'. I watched it last week and am still thinking about it. The movie is lovely, but even more interesting is its writer/director--Travellers and Magicians (Dzongkha: chang hup thengi thruel nang) is a 2003 Bhutanese Dzongkha language film written and directed by Khyentse Norbu, a reincarnate lama of Tibetan Buddhism, who is also known as Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche. The movie is the first feature film shot entirely in the kingdom of Bhutan. The majority of the cast are not professional actors; Dendup, a well-known Bhutanese radio actor and producer, is the exception. The movie breaks ground as the first to take a Himalayan Buddhist perspective, offering a unique insight into this culture from the inside.
Hi Captain, I've never seen this film, but it sounds great and I've added it to my queue. I'll have it by next weekend. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:15 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
:0) I'm always here, just usually fraternizing with the dust bunnies that are so hidden even our excellent butler and maid only clean them once a year. The Joop castle has a lot of hiding spots, and sometimes I just listen through the vents. :0)
LOL, you're cracking me up! It's really nice to see you again.
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Posted: Jan 22 @ 02:18 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good morning, Joopers! Happy Monday. From the Joop Countdown Clock:16 days16 hours42 minutes23 secondsThe hiatus will soon be over!I LOVE THIS SHOW!
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