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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:22 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
A few juicy tidbits from Gregg Nations.
The flight time contradiction - it seems we've missed something.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67462
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=67400
Since people are already fainting and having their heads explode, I may as well add this. Regarding the flight time discrepancy, GN agrees that it's a mess but he mentions that there's something else no one has taken into consideration.
GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?
This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.
Some ideas:
1. Time passes differently on the island. Okay. No big news, here. This idea has been tossed around forever.
2. ???? I'm stumped.
*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.
*Flying the normal route from Sydney to LA would have taken them on a course roughly SE to NW and toward darkness.
*Press releases confirm the show is somewhere in the South Pacific.
*Interesting to note that GN did not mention in either post whether the crashed occurred during the AM or the PM, he only confirmed that it occurred at 4:16 island time.
What are we missing?
But what if the flight crashed at 4:16 AM and not PM. What if it crashed in a locale where it's daylight at 4:16 AM? Anarctica?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:29 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky:
Hi all. Luckily, the sub-zero temperature saved my exploding head. The pieces froze in mid-air and I was able to pick them back up and put them back together like a frozen puzzle. I did get a glimpse of some strange contents and a few stray wires, but that's neither here nor there.
Bg, I love the Penny Widmore idea, although I'm not sure how HIM could be a HER. Maybe HIM is an acronym. Hermaphrodite Island Monarch? LOL.
I still think Bernard could be Jacob/Him/Adrian, but I'm also inclined to think that Mr. Paik is a possibility. He sits in that office watching the "eye" of the island on those plasma screens. It's like a Bang & Olafson version of the Pearl. Speaking of which, why did Sun have the whole thing with the pearl necklace? I wonder what that means.
I love that Watchmen quote, Bg. It's perfect for the Others, you're right.
And I know that this is heretical, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Danielle really may have had parts of her memory erased and replaced with the story she tells. There's no proof of this, of course, but my new theory is that she was one of the original leaders or founders, and broke from the group to help a group of the kids (including our castaways - I know, I know, roll your eyes) escape. Remember how we used to go over and over her lines, and nothing we could come up with as a scenario really fit? Just think about some of them, and the inconsistencies, from that angle.
-She does know the others, very well, but doesn't know she knows.
-The broadcast, made during the escape, before her memory was erased, was as she was waiting for rescue with the kids.
-Kidnapping Aaron, and waiting on the beach in vain with him after she saw the black smoke, was a complete waste of time.
-the traveling eight months pregnant, thge missing boat, the delivering the baby herself...all a story she was conditioned to repeat
"See you in the next life, if not in this one" sparked a vague memory - it's what they tell people before they deprogram them
-she was conditioned to be violently opposed to the idea of rescue, at all costs (that's what she did wrong in the first place)
-even this: "The firing pin has been removed. Robert didn't notice it was gone when I shot him..." Maybe the firing pin in the gun she used had always been gone, and she never really killed anyone, she was just told she did
I know you're not of the conspiracy persuasion, but just consider it.
(Oops, forgot to replace that one last piece of my frozen head
Hi Lucky, I'm glad you could save your exploding head pieces, but I can't believe you're making heretical comments about Danielle! What happened to you while you were over at the Fuselage? Did they brainwash you? Was it that dastardly Mittelwerk?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:31 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen's head is whirling...eyes start to open....
Whoa! That would definitely be a specific reason Ben didn't want any outside doctors!
Exactly! If they could get off the island, then why wouldn't Ben just go to Johns Hopkins and have his tumor removed like any normal sane person would do? While this pregnancy idea is pretty farfetched, in light of the spoiler it makes sense, IMHO.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:39 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky! Oh dear! Help is on the way....BG grab the mop, I'll get the wigs and smelling salts...
Oh no! Not again!
Zen, I got the mop. Lucky, are you okay?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 10:40 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?
This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.
He says it's 'a mess' like it is was a continuity mistake. I believe that. Maybe now they've made up a reason to explain this snafu.
*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.
Logically, with just these facts in mind, I wonder if the plane crashed after 8 hours in flight but they were flying in the wrong direction. So it was 10:16 Sidney time and 4:16 island time. No clue why the pilot and AL experienced the time differently. The original 'explanation' of AL's 2 hour speech was that she was 'confused'. I don't know what to believe about this though.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:01 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
GN: This is a mess. I don't know if you had a chance to read my answer on another question like this, but I just had this conversation with the writers. Funny how these things come up like this, huh?
This is what I'll comment on. I think you can safely say the plane crashed at 4:16 island time. But there is one other thing no one has taken into consideration yet. And like I said in the other posting, good luck figuring it out.
He says it's 'a mess' like it is was a continuity mistake. I believe that. Maybe now they've made up a reason to explain this snafu.
*The flight left at 2:15 pm Sydney time. Fact.
*The flight crashed at 4:16 island time. Fact.
*It was unequivocally daylight when they crashed. Fact.
*According to the pilot they lost radio contact "6 hours in" - indicating they were flying at least 6 hours and possibly longer.
*Cindy indicates they were flying at least 2 hours in the wrong direction.
Logically, with just these facts in mind, I wonder if the plane crashed after 8 hours in flight but only 2 hours out of Sidney. So it was 10:16 Sidney time and 4:16 island time. They were flying in the wrong direction for almost all of the flight. No clue why the pilot and AL experienced the time differently. The original 'explanation' of AL's 2 hour speech was that she was 'confused'. I don't know what to believe about this though.
Hi Captain, I agree that this could have been a continuity mess and now they're trying to write themselves out of it. As for AL's confusion about the time, she was drinking a bit before the plane left so maybe she was confused. I dunno. This whole thing frustrates me because everytime I revisit it I just get more confused, myself.
Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think. Regardless of how long they had been in the air, if they were two hours from Sydney they would be at most maybe two or three time zones away. So it couldn't have been 4:16, I don't think. Or maybe I'm confused again.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:12 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think.
I was confused. I corrected this statement. ^^^ I meant to say they flew 8 hours in the wrong direction and crashed at 10:16 Sydney time/4:16 island time. I hope that makes sense. The more I try to explain, the less sense it makes.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:32 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Your point about an 8 hour flight and being only 2 hours from Sydney is a good one, but it would still make it dark there, I think.
I was confused. I corrected this statement. ^^^ I meant to say they flew 8 hours in the wrong direction and crashed at 10:16 Sydney time/4:16 island time. I hope that makes sense. The more I try to explain, the less sense it makes.
LOL, Captain, I'm getting a headache from all this math and that damn international dateline isn't helping. However, I did discover that McMurdo Station in Anarctica is only 2 time zones ahead of Sydney.
So if the plane flew for 8 hours, and if it was 10:16 pm Sydney time, it would be 8:16 pm Anarctica time. Nowhere near 4:16.
Here's a handy dandy time zone converter to play with, if you're so inclined.
http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:36 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Here's a handy dandy time zone converter to play with, if you're so inclined.
http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc
I think I need to take a walk...
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:37 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I think I need to take a walk...
Me too.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:43 AM
by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
What the captain said about traveling the other directions explains the time differences perfectly. Really They gain time going west so it explains how they can spend so much time in the air yet not much relative clock time passes. This puts them somewhere in the Indian Ocean which is close to Sri Lanka which is interesting because the ship in the LE was there, along with villages that were mentioned were close. Mittlewerk and his group were definitely active in this part of the world but two things that don't make sense now are in the LE the Black Rock sails east from East Timor I think and is never heard from again. This tends to put in the south Pacific not in the Indian Ocean. More importantly if the plane were going in this direction then that means the pilot was in on it from the beginning. I've never bought the conspiracy theory that they were all brought there but for those that do this makes the time discrepancy work out by having them go east.
I recently bought a DVD of the first season of the old series "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and they had an episode where they discovered a hidden tropical world inside Antarctica populated by natives that sailed there from the southern tip of South America. A volcano kept it warm and tropical and the glaciers around would help keep it warm also. One thing they didn't address was the sun and the length of days in Antarctica. In Lost there could be foreshadowing with the hatch with it's artificial daylight, that they are in a artificial environment around the whole island. One thing I found strange but I think now was just for the look, was the geodesic dome. It's really to make these waterproof with all the separate panels. What they do well though is hold up under large weights like massive amounts of snow that stays frozen. Still with any Antarctica location you have the same problem of the pilot heading intentionally in the wrong direction.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 11:44 AM
by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
cont...
Another idea is that they're using ideas from string theory involving alternate universes. This isn't as far out as it sounds. I think Zen mentioned starting a book on this earlier and there's another one by Lisa Randall called Warped Passages. Also in "The Elegant Universe" Brian Greene talks about his too. You can watch this here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
There one section in the 3rd hour called Parallel Universes. In this case island time would reflect the position of the sun in this universe which isn't the same sun and universe as they started out in. I don't have clue how the Others can get in and out of parallel universe, communicate outside, and how the plane and others got there. One thing that does seem to fit though is then you see the tree's being pulled up sometimes. If you watch the section called "Escaping Gravity" he talks about gravity being a much weaker force than the other forces. The reason may be that gravity is leaking into these parallel universes. The chaos that they sometimes see where the jungle is ripped apart could be the writers interpretation of what happens if you're in an alternate universe and gravity leaks in attracting trees.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 12:35 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
What the captain said about traveling the other directions explains the time differences perfectly. Really They gain time going west so it explains how they can spend so much time in the air yet not much relative clock time passes. This puts them somewhere in the Indian Ocean which is close to Sri Lanka which is interesting because the ship in the LE was there, along with villages that were mentioned were close.
Hi Lost Duckie, I'm open to the idea that they're in the Indian Ocean and Sri Lanka. The only problem is the press releases state they're in the South Pacific.
The parallel universe idea is intriguing, too, and it would go a long way to explain some of the inexplicable phenomena. But unfortunately I think the show is simpler than string theory and parallel universes. Of course I could be wrong.
I'm wondering if the explanation is as simple as all the clocks and watches on the plane were off because of the island's EM force even before the sky went purple. AL, Cindy, and the Pilot all seemed to have different ideas about how much time had passed, and without accurate clocks to tell us how much time has passed we each experience the passing of time subjectively. For example, an hour waiting for LOST to come on can seem like a day. But when the show actually comes in it seems to be over in minutes.
But even this "simple" explanation doesn't account for how they could leave Sydney at 2:00 something and crash at 4:16 on the island and it be daylight - unless they'd been flying around for more than 24 hours.
This is a puzzle for sure, and frankly I'm stumped.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 12:39 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LOL! I just thought of something.
The writers have boxed themselves into a corner with what are probably continuity errors, but by putting it out that there's something "we haven't considered" they are leaving it to some bright message board poster to figure out an explanation that gets them out of the mess.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 12:39 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Bg, what I'm saying about Danielle isn't excatly heretical, if you think about it. I believe in her completely, and I do not think she's lying. all I'm saying is that she may not know the whole truth. It doesn't detract from her integrity at all, and I think it actually is a way to make sense of her story. We always wondered why her distress call seemed to be addressing those on the island, and was in French, if her whole team was dead. Why she would have traveled at eight months. Why she blurted out that line about the Carriers (I think she had a flash of remembering something). Where Brennan was. How she knew Ben was an Other if she hadn't seen other people. Why she reacted to Nadia's line so strangely. Why rescue would be unthinkable, even now, when there's no apparent sickness. I'm not big on memory reprogramming, but I think it fits in the overall context of the show, especially with a spoiler we've seen regarding Karl. And I actually love the "Box" metaphor for the locked away memories.
I have a long theory on this over at the Fuselage, but I'm not going to repost it here because no one likes the idea of the Losties being a past group of gifted kids who escaped. I'm not saying it's right, but it's growing on me, and rewatching scenes with that in mind is very interesting.
This time thing has me stumped. I wonder if the tape on Charlie's fingers, on which he wrote LATE shortly after tyhe crash, is a clue? Was it one day later? One week? One year? Did the plane land somewhere so that the passengers were tinkered with somehow? I kind of hate that idea -- enough is enough with the conspiracies. But I don't know what else to think.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 01:26 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lucky: We always wondered why her distress call seemed to be addressing those on the island, and was in French, if her whole team was dead. Why she would have traveled at eight months. Why she blurted out that line about the Carriers (I think she had a flash of remembering something). Where Brennan was. How she knew Ben was an Other if she hadn't seen other people. Why she reacted to Nadia's line so strangely. Why rescue would be unthinkable, even now, when there's no apparent sickness. I'm not big on memory reprogramming, but I think it fits in the overall context of the show, especially with a spoiler we've seen regarding Karl. And I actually love the "Box" metaphor for the locked away memories.
Lucky, while your idea may prove to be correct, I'm not sure I understand how it addresses some of the mysteries surrounding Danielle. But most importantly, TPTB, if they are to be believed, have stated that prior to capturing Benry, Danielle had never seen an Other, she had only heard them. So unless TPTB are totally lying, which they could be for all I know, Danielle couldn't have experienced the memory reprogramming you describe.
Unless the reprogramming was conducted by another group of Others. This would allow TPTB to be telling the truth, I suppose. But this opens up a pandora's box of problems, such as how did Ben's group wind up with Alex if the Nother Others had Danielle and conducted the brainwashing?
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 03:58 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost,
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From Lost Is Back! (And So, So Good Again)
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http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070202:tv-785d928affd7f62987bedff3be9108cd__ER:1;_ylt=AqzpTd2evgIb6_Q46jsRYe2Ao9EF
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:11 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost
I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:15 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
LOL! I just thought of something.
The writers have boxed themselves into a corner with what are probably continuity errors, but by putting it out that there's something "we haven't considered" they are leaving it to some bright message board poster to figure out an explanation that gets them out of the mess.
I believe you! Hopefully someone will steer them to Joop's Castle and they'll let us drive the Magic Bus for a while!
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:24 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost,
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Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid When I asked Yunjin Kim what was coming up, she told me, "There is so much, so much. We'll definitely find out a lot more about the Others, and the more we find out the more scary they are. They've got some power, and they're very well connected in a very scary way. " And Michael Emerson said he thinks a bigger game is afoot "Everyone, sooner or later, is a pawn in Ben's game, I think. Everyone, sooner or later, has a target on their back."
From Lost Is Back! (And So, So Good Again)
By Kristin Veitch
February 2, 2007 at 10:27 pm
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070202:tv-785d928affd7f62987bedff3be9108cd__ER:1;_ylt=AqzpTd2evgIb6_Q46jsRYe2Ao9EF
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Wow, Zen, this is going to be a wild season. The more we find out the scarier they are, they're well connected in a very scary way, and a bigger game is afoot. And everyone is a pawn in Ben's game.
But just what is Ben's game? Is he an Adrian parallel like we were discussing yesterday? Or something else? What is Ben's role in the bigger game that's afoot? Is he its architect? A handmaiden to powers stronger and scarier than he? Is he their pawn? Or is he trying to work against a stronger scarier power?
I can't wait for this season to get into full swing!
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:35 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Found this in an Kristin Veitch article covering upcoming epis of Lost
I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.
I agree with both you and BG, Michael Emerson is amazing! I really want to see the outcome of Ben's surgery and what this means in terms of relationship dynamics (especially after Kristin's mention).
My fav character was quite listless after the Smokie Smackdown.
Travellers and Magicians arrived in the mail on Saturday. Can't wait to watch it!
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:37 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Captain: I believe you! Hopefully someone will steer them to Joop's Castle and they'll let us drive the Magic Bus for a while!
LOL, I hope you're driving the Magic Bus, Captain, because I'd get us just as lost as that Pilot. I'm still stumped about the flight time discrepancy, but you and Lost Duckie have come up with some really good ideas. Hopefully someone will read them and run with them.
Captain: I hope Ben is going to get more screen time soon. Michael Emerson is the major on screen reason I am still watching the show.
Me too, Captain. Me too. I've started rewatching last season's episodes starting with Ben's first appearance, and Michael Emerson's incredible. I just now finished Maternity Leave and one of the last scenes is in the armory with Ben and Mr. Eko, the one where Eko cuts off those two tufty beardy thingys.
Watching Ben and Eko in that scene made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It struck me as possibly one of the most wildly unpredictable moments of television ever filmed, and Emerson sold the whole thing.
And then a few moments later Locke came in and Ben and Locke talked about Hemingway and Dostoevsky. Emerson is so incredibly good at his craft it's as if he elevates the performances of everyone around him like some amazing force of nature.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:46 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I agree with both you and BG, Michael Emerson is amazing! I really want to see the outcome of Ben's surgery and what this means in terms of relationship dynamics (especially after Kristin's mention).
My fav character was quite listless after the Smokie Smackdown.
Travellers and Magicians arrived in the mail on Saturday. Can't wait to watch it!
Hi Zen, as I mentioned above, I just now rewatched Maternity Leave and was especially impressed with Mr. Eko. I think I'm still grieving his death. What a loss that was.
But I'm glad you got Travellers and Magicians. You are in for such a treat. I can't wait for "The Cup," Khyentse Norbu's first film, to arrive. I'm really looking forward to seeing the soccer-mad monks.
BTW, the dvd bonus features on the Travellers and Magicians disc are really good. Khyentse Norbu talks at length about his motivations and his journey to becoming a filmmaker and why he thinks film is a suitable medium for a Buddhist Master. In his words, he wants to "create a grammar of film-making, Buddhist film-making."
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 04:57 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
BTW, the dvd bonus features on the Travellers and Magicians disc are really good. Khyentse Norbu talks at length about his motivations and his journey to becoming a filmmaker and why he thinks film is a suitable medium for a Buddhist Master. In his words, he wants to "create a grammar of film-making, Buddhist film-making."
I loved how he said film was painting with light and that his films are his thangkas (sacred paintings)
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:00 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Watching Ben and Eko in that scene made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It struck me as possibly one of the most wildly unpredictable moments of television ever filmed, and Emerson sold the whole thing.
He is so incredible. I remember reading an article where the director (I think) said he'd never seen an actor do so much while chained motionless to a wall. You are right--he elevates everyone's performances.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:07 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Did you see the Lindelof/Cuse video about Yemi's plane? Sounds like they actually believe that a giant magnet can pull a plane out of the sky (An explanation I have never been satisfied with)--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFo_lF-Xjk&eurl=
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:11 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I loved how he said film was painting with light and that his films are his thangkas (sacred paintings)
Me too. What a brilliant and insightful comment that was. I may have to buy a copy of Travellers and Magicians - I returned it yesterday - and I already miss it.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:15 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
He is so incredible. I remember reading an article where the director (I think) said he'd never seen an actor do so much while chained motionless to a wall. You are right--he elevates everyone's performances.
Captain, I must have missed that article. I'd never heard that particular quote. But LOL, if Emerson can do a lot chained to a wall, I'm salivating at what he might be able to do, performance-wise, while he's in a hospital bed recuperating from his back surgery.
LOL, maybe the next thread should be renamed "JOOP! is Michael Emerson's biggest fan."
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 05:47 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Did you see the Lindelof/Cuse video about Yemi's plane? Sounds like they actually believe that a giant magnet can pull a plane out of the sky (An explanation I have never been satisfied with)--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFo_lF-Xjk&eurl=
Hi again, Captain, that's an informative bit of video. But I agree that the idea that a giant magnet can pull down planes from the sky as well as reel in ships from the ocean is pretty goofy from a strictly scientific viewpoint.
One of the reasons I always refer to the event we witnessed in last season's finale as "the purple sky thingy" is because the whole thing seems so scientifically implausible. IMHO, it doesn't rise to the level of deserving a more precise terminology than "thingy."
But with that said, I guess I've grown to accept that a lot of the stuff on LOST will never make scientific sense. As a man of science, this was depressing at first, especially given TPTB's statement that everything could be explained through science or psuedo-science. But somehow I've learned to overlook a lot of the really fuzzy science stuff and just go with the flow.
While I'm waxing on philosophically, I must say that I think it's a mistake to take a mechanistic approach to LOST, even though I did so myself the first season and part of last season. I don't think it's a puzzle, nor do I think it's something in which the whole can be divised from an examination of its individual tiny pieces.
Instead, I think we'll only understand this and be able to make a fully coherent story when all is said and done. The best example I can give of this understanding process is perhaps a fender bender accident. When the accident occurs, a zillion things are happening in the world. In some country or other, people are fighting. In office buildings, people are working. Birds sit in trees. On and on.
But having just had an accident, we don't think of all these things. We only think about the accident and by doing so we have already begun to leave stuff out of the accident "story." In fact, it's not even a story yet and won't become a coherent story until we've told the police what happened, called our boss, talked to our spouse, talked to our insurance company, etc. With each retelling, more and more stuff gets left out until we arrive at a tightly coherent account of what happened.
I think LOST will be like this. When we get to the final episode we will have left behind a lot of stuff that of necessity had to be left out in order to arrive at a fully coherent story.
But that's not to say that thinking, analyzing, and theorizing about LOST isn't worthwhile. It's part of the story-making process, IMHO.
Yikes, I sure ran on. Sorry.
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Posted: Feb 04 @ 06:08 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Hi again, Captain, that's an informative bit of video. But I agree that the idea that a giant magnet can pull down planes from the sky as well as reel in ships from the ocean is pretty goofy from a strictly scientific viewpoint.
I guess I will just have to get used to the idea that a big ol' magnet sucked Oceanic 815 out of the sky. I think I would have preferred a Magic Turtle...
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