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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:20 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
When I googled time/buddhism I found this site where His Holiness, the Dalai Lama answers the question what is the concept of time in Buddhism.
Q: What is the concept of time in Buddhism?
A: Excuse me, I misunderstood the Tibetan translation of the question; in our language the words for "demon" and "time" are pronounced almost identically, and I was about to give you a talk about what a demon is from a Buddhist point of view!
Regarding the Buddhist concept of time, our philosophy has. adopted several positions. The Sautrantika school, also known as the "Holders of Discourse," affirms that all phenomena and events exist only in the present moment. For this school, past and future are nothing other than simple concepts, simple mental constructs. As for the Madhyamika-Prasangika school, the Consequence School of the Middle Way, it generally explains time in terms of relativity, as an abstract entity developed by the mind on the basis of an imputation, the continuity of an event or phenomenon. This philosophical view describes, therefore, an abstract concept whose function is dependent on the continuum of phenomena. From this point on, to try to explain time as an autonomous entity, independent from an existing object, proves impossible. That time is a relative phenomenon and can claim no independent status is quite clear; I often give the example of external objects which can be easily conceived of in terms of the past or future, but of which the very present seems inconceivable. We can divide time into centuries, decades, years, days, hours, minutes, and seconds. But as the second is also divisible into multiple parts, milliseconds for example, we can easily lose our grasp of the notion of present time!
As for consciousness, it has neither past nor future and knows only present moments; it is the continuum of a present moment being transformed into another present moment, whereas with external objects the present disappears in favour of notions of past and future. But further pursuit of this logic will lead to absurdity, because to situate past and future we need a frame of reference which, in this case, is the present, and we have just lost its trace in fractions of milliseconds.. . .
http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlquotes3.html#time
TBC
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:26 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
One final thought, taken from a website where the Four Noble Truths are explained:
The Third Noble Truth is that suffering can be overcome and happiness attained. This is perhaps the most important of the Four Noble Truths because in it the Buddha reassures us that true happiness and contentment are possible. When we give up useless craving and learn to live each day at a time, enjoying without restless wanting the experiences that life offers us, patiently enduring the problems that life involves without fear, hatred and anger, then we become happy and free. Then, and only then, do we being to live fully. Because we are no longer obsessed with satisfying our own selfish wants, we find we have so much time to help others fulfil their needs. This state is called Nirvana. We are free from all psychological suffering as well. This is called Final Nirvana
What or where is Nirvana?
It is a dimension transcending time and space and thus is difficult to talk about or even to think about. Words and thoughts being only suited to describe the time-space dimension. But because Nirvana is beyond time, there is no movement and so no aging or dying. Thus Nirvana is eternal. Because it is beyond space, there is no causation, no boundary, no concept of self and not-self and thus Nirvana is infinite. The Buddha also assures us that Nirvana is an experience of profound happiness. He says:
Nirvana is the highest happiness.
Dp 204
But is there any proof that such a dimension exists?
No, there is not. But its existence can be inferred. If there is a dimension where time and space do operate and there is such a dimension - the world we experience, then we can infer that there is a dimension where time and space do not operate - Nirvana. Again, even though we cannot prove Nirvana exists, we have the Buddha's word that it does exist. He tells us:
"There is an. Unborn, a Not-become, a Not-made, a Not-compounded. If there were not, this Unborn, Not become, Not-made, Not-compounded, there could not be made any escape from what is born, become, made, and compounded. But since there is this Unborn, Not become, Not-made, Not-compounded, therefore is there made known an escape from what is born, become, made, and compounded."
Ud. 80
We will know it when we attain it. Until that time, we can still practice
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 07:48 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: What or where is Nirvana?
It is a dimension transcending time and space and thus is difficult to talk about or even to think about. Words and thoughts being only suited to describe the time-space dimension. But because Nirvana is beyond time, there is no movement and so no aging or dying. Thus Nirvana is eternal. Because it is beyond space, there is no causation, no boundary, no concept of self and not-self and thus Nirvana is infinite. The Buddha also assures us that Nirvana is an experience of profound happiness. He says:
Nirvana is the highest happiness.
Zen, I love your post. Thanks so much for transcribing this. It clearly links Nirvana back with the audio, "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."
If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:17 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi all. Quick Danielle fly-by. Bg, I realize you hate the idea of Danielle having forgotten her past, but the idea is completely growing on me. Someont on the Fuselage had an excellent point about the maps: thye're made from the perspective and vantage point of someone who has been to Alkatraz, especially the southern elevation. Then I started thinking, I'll bet the obsessiional notations and, especailly, the song lyrics -- so mournful and personal -- are her attempts to remember the past that's been taken from her! She's heartbroken, but doesn't fully understand why. Anyway, I know you think it's heretical, but I don't at all. No one's saying she's lying. I think it makes her absolutley more poignant -- I love the idea.
Oh, Danielle!
Hi Lucky, I remember we discussed this on the old Danielle thread - how the perspective of the map with the elevation view was that of someone who had been off the island at some distance. IMHO, it could very well have been the view from Alcatraz. However, at the time, if memory is correct, we speculated that the map with the elevation view may have been originally from the Black Rock. This speculation arose, I think, because of the aged look of the maps and because not all the handwriting matched. Am I remembering it right about the different handwriting on the notations? It's been a long time since we discussed this.
As for part of Danielle's memory being missing, I put the idea forth about a year ago that she could have missing memories as a result of being drugged ala Claire. However, IMHO, the drug idea, or a brainwashing as you're now suggesting, seems somewhat inconsistent with her name: Rousseau.
Facing criticism in Switzerland – his house in Motiers was stoned in 1765 – he took refuge with the philosopher David Hume in Great Britain. Isolated at Wootton on the borders of Derbyshire and Staffordshire, Rousseau suffered a serious decline in his mental health and began to experience paranoid fantasies about plots against him involving Hume and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau
I agree that some of the notations were very personal and showed her attempt to make sense of what was going on, but again, I think this can be explained by the philosopher, Rousseaus's invention of a more personal autobiography, one that reflected musings and ramblings, and does not in itself indicate proof of a brainwashing.
Still, many mysteries exist around Danielle and I both dread and look forward to her flashback. As I've stated numerous times, once I find out what happened 16 years ago and why Brennon took those damn pesky keys I'll no longer have reason to watch the show.
Wait. Now there's Ben and his backstory. I guess I can't leave anytime soon.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:20 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Uh-oh! I just anagrammed "Mittelos Bioscience" and here's what popped out:
To imbecile sections
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 08:54 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Okay, I haven't had any coffee yet, so this going to be really a rambling of my thoughts.....
The point where time and space don't exist, (Nirvana) could be likened to the Tao, where all things issue from it, all things return to it (Tao Te Ching #52), or could be likened to the point where nothing becomes something (the interchangeability of mass = energy), could be likened to the zero point, where anything is possible, because everything is in existence in potentia.
So could the Others be studying potentia, and need to use the psychic abilities of special people (i.e., Walt, etc.)?
Zen's head explodes.....
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 09:01 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Okay, I haven't had any coffee yet, so this going to be really a rambling of my thoughts.....
The point where time and space don't exist, (Nirvana) could be likened to the Tao, where all things issue from it, all things return to it (Tao Te Ching #52), or could be likened to the point where nothing becomes something (the interchangeability of mass = energy), could be likened to the zero point, where anything is possible, because everything is in existence in potentia.
So could the Others be studying potentia, and need to use the psychic abilities of special people (i.e., Walt, etc.)?
Zen's head explodes.....
Zen, if I've understood what you're saying, I think the answer is yes. The Others hope to do something with time - stop it, recapture it, find it, or most likely, they want to transcend it and arrive at a point where everything is always already in existence, where everything is potential, yet has already happened, even while it's happening right now.
bg's head explodes
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 09:58 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Wait, I thought Rachel lived alone in the dingy place near the beach with Ethan crawling the halls. In the opening scene (night) didn't Juliet tell Rachel she wished she'd come stay with her?
Then the preggers reveal (day) happened at Juliet's high-rise condo?
You are most likely right. I thought it was the same play because of the view out the window. I will watch the scene again later
Zen & BG--Yow! You've been hard at work this morning! I've got lots of reading to do...
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 10:31 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
In the pre show, Carlton mentioned that the island (or did he say 'the show'?) is a Rube Goldberg machine.
From Wikipedia--
A Rube Goldberg machine or device is any exceedingly complex apparatus that performs a very simple task in a very indirect and convoluted way. Rube devised such pataphysical devices. The best examples of his machines have an anticipation factor: the fact that something so wacky is happening can only be topped by it happening in a suspenseful manner.
The term also applies as a classification for a generally over-complicated apparatus or software. It first appeared in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the definition, "accomplishing by extremely complex roundabout means what actually or seemingly could be done simply."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg
some examples of his work--
http://www.rube-goldberg.com/
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 10:54 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Captain, thanks for bringing this up. I've had it in the back of my mind and been wanting to talk about it. If memory is correct, Cuse said "the show' is a Rube Goldberg machine.
After constructing this elaborately crazy thing for 4 or 5 seasons, do you think maybe the final episode will be when they drop the last ball or something? The ball that makes all the parts of the Rube Goldberg machine go into motion?
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 12:51 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Just had a synchronicity moment. Picked up Parallel Worlds and turned to this phrase:
"But if electrons can exist in parallel states hovering between existence and nonexistence, then why can't the universe? After all, at one point the universe was smaller than an electron." Michio Kaku
Twilight Zone music starts to blare...........
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 01:37 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=84150&fullsize=1
THE KALACHAKRA MANDALA
Everything in this mandala is the symbolic representation of some aspect of the Kalachakra deity and the deity's universe. There are 722 deities in the mandala which symbolise various manifestations of aspects of consciousness and reality, all part of the ultimate wisdom of the Kalachakra deity. Understanding and interpreting all of the symbols included in the mandala would be like reading the Kalachakra texts, which contains a vast range of teachings from cosmology to epistemology to psychology.
The Kalachakra Tantra is interpreted at three levels referred to as external, internal and alternative. The external concerns the laws of time and space of this physical world and accordingly deals with astronomy, astrology and mathematics. The internal concerns the elements and structure of the human body, including its energy system. The alternative is the doctrine, path and fruit of the actual meditational deity and its circular mandala abode.
The Kalachakra deity resides in the centre of the mandala. His palace consists of our mandala, one within another: the mandala of body, the mandala of speech, that of mind, and the very centre, wisdom and great bliss.
The palace is divided into four quadrants each with walls, gates, and a centre. The colours are specific representations of the elements and mental types. Black, in the east, is associated with the element of winds. The south is red, its elements is fire. The west is yellow, associated with the element of earth, and the north is white, represent water.
The square palace of the 722 deities is seated upon the first concentric circles, the first of which of which represents the earth. The other circles, represent water, fire, wind, space, and consciousness extend beyond the wall of the palace. The outer circles, a representation of the cosmos, is a source of Tibetan astrology. The ten wrathful deities who reside in one of the outer, concentric circles of the mandala serve as its protectors.
The Kalachakra sand mandala is dedicated to peace and physical balance, both for individual and for the world, thanks to the deities carefully among minute human, animal and floral forms, abstract pictographs, and the Sanskrit syllables that comprises the mandala's design.
Although depicted here on a flat surface, the mandala is actually three-dimensional, being a five-storeyed "divine mansion", at the centre of which stands the Kalachakra deity the manifest state of Enlightenment.
A person who simply sees this mandala many feel peace on many levels. According to the Dalai Lama, the Kalachakra deities create a favourable atmosphere, reducing tension and violence in the world. "It is a way of planting a seed, and the seed will have karmic effect. One doesn't need to be present at the Kalachakra ceremony in order to receive its benefits," he explains.
http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/kala1.html
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 04:38 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Hi Captain, thanks for bringing this up. I've had it in the back of my mind and been wanting to talk about it. If memory is correct, Cuse said "the show' is a Rube Goldberg machine.
After constructing this elaborately crazy thing for 4 or 5 seasons, do you think maybe the final episode will be when they drop the last ball or something? The ball that makes all the parts of the Rube Goldberg machine go into motion?
The machine has been in motion since the first show. The catch phrase 'Everything happens for a reason' made us think the show was a mystery to be solved like
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
when actually it was a series of unfortunate events like
Kate + murder + airplane = sex in a bear cage
Not something you can predict, but somehow fated.
So, really, all conspiracy theories are dead for me. Even the 'Juliet made the bus hit her ex' is highly unlikely.
Juliet's ex + bus + Alpert = 3 years, 2 months, 28 days of forced smiles and trying not to scream
It's all a Rube Goldbergian Interconnected Cosmic Fate Machine.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:03 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen: ...A person who simply sees this mandala many feel peace on many levels. According to the Dalai Lama, the Kalachakra deities create a favourable atmosphere, reducing tension and violence in the world. "It is a way of planting a seed, and the seed will have karmic effect. One doesn't need to be present at the Kalachakra ceremony in order to receive its benefits," he explains.
http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/kala1.html
Nice work, Zen. Excellent!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:18 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
The machine has been in motion since the first show. The catch phrase 'Everything happens for a reason' made us think the show was a mystery to be solved like
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
when actually it was a series of unfortunate events like
Kate + murder + airplane = sex in a bear cage
Not something you can predict, but somehow fated.
So, really, all conspiracy theories are dead for me. Even the 'Juliet made the bus hit her ex' is highly unlikely.
Juliet's ex + bus + Alpert = 3 years, 2 months, 28 days of forced smiles and trying not to scream
It's all a Rube Goldbergian Interconnected Cosmic Fate Machine.
LOL, Captain, well said! I couldn't agree more. Brilliant math equations. Mind if I try some?
Jack + Alcoholic father + airplane = Playing poker on a beach for papayas.
Locke (-) (minus sign) one kidney + an orange slice = trapped under a blast door staring at a map painted with fabric softener.
This could be addictive!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:21 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself-Well...How did I get here?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
From the Talking Heads, "Stop Making Sense."
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:24 PM
by: marbalbc (472 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
Hello Joopers! May I interrupt a moment to ask a question?
You all followed the Lost Experience, correct? Can someone confirm to me that Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation voluntarily or otherwise? Seems I saw some mention of this at some point, but can't really remember.
Appreciate it!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:27 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
LOL, Captain, well said! I couldn't agree more. Mind if I try some of your math?
Jack + Alcoholic father + airplane = Playing poker on a beach for papayas.
Locke (-) (minus sign) one kidney + an orange slice = trapped under a blast door staring at a map painted with fabric softener.
This could be addictive!
Lost Mathematics!
Sayid + 4 toed statue + Other trap = (negative)sailboat
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:32 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hello Joopers! May I interrupt a moment to ask a question?
You all followed the Lost Experience, correct? Can someone confirm to me that Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation voluntarily or otherwise? Seems I saw some mention of this at some point, but can't really remember.
Appreciate it!
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Hi marb, if memory is correct, Thomas Mittelwerk left Hanso Foundation when Rachel Blake blew the whistle and the police arrested him. He escaped, vowing we had not seen the last of him.
I'm digging for corroborating transcripts or video, but I'm pretty sure that's roughly how it went.
Here we go:
After video evidence (the Sri Lanka Video) was released of Mittelwerk admitting to his plans, the authorities attempted to aprehend Mittelwerk. However, he managed to escape with the virus, and in the process blew up the Hanso Foundation headquarters. After Alvar Hanso released a statement, Mittelwerk hacked the website feed with his own statement of:
You've taken the battle, but that's all it was, a battle. Humanity needs me, now more than ever. I have the virus, I have the will, and I will not fail.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas_Mittelwerk
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:39 PM
by: marbalbc (472 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
Thanks BG. The reason I was asking was because of Mittelos Bio-science. I wondered if Mittelwerk had left Hanso to form his own company, or if MBS falls under the Hanso Foundation umbrella.
PS - am I spelling Mittelwerk wrong? Is it Mittlewerk? I've seen both and don't know which is correct.
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Thank you so much, BG. You were editing while I was replying. Appreciate the link!
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:40 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Lost Mathematics!
Sayid + 4 toed statue + Other trap = (negative)sailboat
^^^^
Claire + bun in the oven + fortune teller = crashed on an island (-) hairbrush.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:46 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
^^^^
Claire + bun in the oven + fortune teller = crashed on an island (-) hairbrush.
Desmond (-) pants =
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:46 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
BG: If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.
Your statement made me think of one of the many books I have. Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock, Monster Movies & The Truth About Reality. This pretty much sums up Karl's rehabilitation (well maybe all except Smokie)
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:50 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Thanks BG. The reason I was asking was because of Mittelos Bio-science. I wondered if Mittelwerk had left Hanso to form his own company, or if MBS falls under the Hanso Foundation umbrella.
PS - am I spelling Mittelwerk wrong? Is it Mittlewerk? I've seen both and don't know which is correct.
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Thank you so much, BG. You were editing while I was replying. Appreciate the link!
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Hi again, Marb, my pleasure.
I think the take-away from the LE was that Mittelwerk (yes, that's how it's spelled) was operating far outside the bounds of research ethics, criminal law, etc. Ostensibly, Hanso had turned over the reigns of the Hanso Foundation to Mitterlwerk some years in the past, and Hanso was either on the run or under house arrest while Mittelwerk was running things.
The question remains whether or not mad scientist Mittelwerk had altruistic - if insanely deluded - aims, or if he was out to make a buck.
I'm putting my money on Mittelos being connected with the Mittelwerk-run Hanso conglomerate, whether or not it is/was on the record as a Hanso company or not.
One thing to note. The LE and Mittelwerk's take down happened in 2006, so anything we see on the show, including flashbacks, would have happened while Mittelwerk was running amok with his mad scientific research projects.
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 05:56 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Sawyer + Are You There God, It's Me Margaret = Harry Potter glasses
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:01 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Sawyer + Are You There God, It's Me Margaret = Harry Potter glasses
Hurley + hospital stay + Connect4 = lottery win (-) good luck + one-legged Australian woman
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:04 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
BG: If I overlook the inappropriateness of Buddhist teaching being used in such an off-hand way, I think it makes sense, perhaps, that Karl would be "exposed" to this philosophy.
Your statement made me think of one of the many books I have. Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock, Monster Movies & The Truth About Reality. This pretty much sums up Karl's rehabilitation (well maybe all except Smokie)
Zen! Bingo! You are brilliant! This brief snippet from a review of "Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock..." I found on Amazon fits perfectly with the Karl scene.
Brad Warner combines often humorous hip punk attitude with a profound understanding of Zen. I particularly like his reference to "The Wisdom of No Escape".
And this:
The whole point about Zen is that it is anti-intellectual (the whole goal is to baffle the intellect and achieve direct seeing!)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcore-Zen-Monster-Movies-Reality/dp/086171380X
I've never heard of this book. Looks like I'll have to add it to my list of must reads. (Although I must confess I sort of prefer the more traditional tomes. )
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:04 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Hurley + hospital stay + Connect4 = lottery win (-) good luck + one-legged Australian woman
Just Savin' the World + Hatch Implosion = 5 iron + Happy Baby Family - Agitated Charlie
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:07 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Zen math =
Captain math =
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Posted: Feb 10 @ 06:08 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Zen! Bingo! You are brilliant! This brief snippet from a review of "Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock..." I found on Amazon fits perfectly with the Karl scene.
Brad Warner combines often humorous hip punk attitude with a profound understanding of Zen. I particularly like his reference to "The Wisdom of No Escape".
And this:
The whole point about Zen is that it is anti-intellectual (the whole goal is to baffle the intellect and achieve direct seeing!)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcore-Zen-Monster-Movies-Reality/dp/086171380X
I've never heard of this book. Looks like I'll have to add it to my list of must reads. (Although I must confess I sort of prefer the more traditional tomes. )
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This is a great read. It's an autobiography of Brad, if you will. He's really made this book interesting, fun and educational. Lots of personal stories, lots of zen treasures.
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