2 Watchmen Discussion from Joop pt 13 Feb 2007

Forum Home Lost Lost: General JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
Replies: 1004 Last post: Feb 14 @ 03:02 AM by: back_gammon
Edit Search Topic List
Page(s) 14 << [ 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 ] >>


Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 06:28 AM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Hi guys. Drat, I'm still waiting for my Watchmen copy, so I'm avoiding the related posts until it arrives. I'll try and catch up quickly, and if it doesn't come today I may have to start trolling local bookstores.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 10:11 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Zen! Very interesting quote. Why is the subjective experience of time linear? It's disturbing to have such a disconnect between the currently accepted ideas about the laws governing the physical universe and our subjective experience of it. Perhaps the another theory of physics is needed to account for this. I'm sure people much smarter than I are working on it, but for now it is troubling to contemplate.
Orson Scott Card explored the intersecting point between physics and metaphysics in the book 'Xenocide' (the title is brutal, the book is wonderful). I forget the details, but it proposes that instantaneous space travel (transporter type movement) is possible not through the use of machines but through the human will to make it so. This book is the 3rd in the Ender series. The first 3 books are some of my favorite sci fi.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 10:21 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
LOL, Captain, I hope it isn't too difficult for you to keep quiet while the rest of us read the book. You must have a zillion ways to spoil us and I admire your restraint.
Being quiet is no problem. I have been reading the annotated site--wonderful analysis of the construction of the book. Alan Moore is brilliant!
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 10:39 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Zen! Very interesting quote. Why is the subjective experience of time linear? It's disturbing to have such a disconnect between the currently accepted ideas about the laws governing the physical universe and our subjective experience of it. Perhaps the another theory of physics is needed to account for this. I'm sure people much smarter than I are working on it, but for now it is troubling to contemplate.
Good morning BG!I quoted Dr. David Alpert in the movie What the Bleep. Here’s his bio:Dr. David Albert, (web site) Professor and Director of Philosophical Foundations of Physics, Columbia University, specializes in Philosophical Problems of Quantum Mechanics, Philosophy of Space and Time and Philosophy of Science. Professor Albert is the author of Quantum Mechanics and Experience and Time and Chance, and has published many articles on quantum mechanics, mostly in the Physical Review.I have a B.A. degree in Communications & Theater Arts, so I would never claim to fully understand the science behind his statement. I only thought it was an interesting concept to ponder (since time is an illusion). It also makes me wonder about Desmond’s precog ability—does he go between different dimensions to see events of the future? This is difficult to understand--and makes my head hurt. tbc
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 10:39 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
From The American Museum of Natural History site:http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/einstein/time/index.php"Einstein passed by the clock towers again on his way home, a route he often took with his closest friend, Michele Besso. The two men regularly discussed science and philosophy—including the nature of time. After one such discussion, Einstein came to a sudden realization: time is not absolute. In other words, despite our common perception that a second is always a second everywhere in the universe, the rate at which time flows depends upon where you are and how fast you are traveling. Einstein thanked Besso in his first paper on the Special Theory of Relativity.Most of us think we understand time. Time is what clocks measure, ticking off the steady beat of seconds, minutes and hours. Although our wristwatches may run fast or slow because of mechanical flaws, we believe that there is some "master clock" for the universe to which, in an ideal world, all clocks could be synchronized. The notion of the regular passage of time is so ingrained in human consciousness that our languages have developed special ways to distinguish events that occur in the past, present or future. And until Einstein, most physicists also accepted the idea of universal time without question.When Einstein proposed that the speed of light is constant for all observers, he introduced a conundrum. How could different observers measure the same speed for light when the observers themselves were moving at different speeds? Speed is a measure of distance divided by time (for example, kilometers per hour or miles per hour). Einstein realized that for speed to remain constant, intervals of time and distance would have to change in a way that kept their ratio exactly the same.Einstein's answer overturned long-held ideas about the nature of time as a steady, continuous progression of events from past to present to future. Although it's hard to believe, there is no single "master clock" for the entire universe. Time does not progress at the same rate for everyone, everywhere. Instead, Einstein showed that how fast time progresses depends on how fast the clock measuring time is moving. The faster an object travels, the more slowly time passes for that object, as measured by a stationary observer. Perhaps even more astonishing, one person's past could theoretically be another's future—which is why Einstein described the past, present and future as "persistent illusions."
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 10:42 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Orson Scott Card explored the intersecting point between physics and metaphysics in the book 'Xenocide' (the title is brutal, the book is wonderful). I forget the details, but it proposes that instantaneous space travel (transporter type movement) is possible not through the use of machines but through the human will to make it so. This book is the 3rd in the Ender series. The first 3 books are some of my favorite sci fi.
Cap!I've got to go to the library. This book you suggested sounds very interesting, and one that Mel suggested. Guess I'll be reading for a few more days. LOL
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 11:06 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Cap!I've got to go to the library. This book you suggested sounds very interesting, and one that Mel suggested. Guess I'll be reading for a few more days. LOL
Remember--it is the 3rd in a series. So you have to read 3 more books!
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 11:10 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Remember--it is the 3rd in a series. So you have to read 3 more books!
Oy! If you need to find me, I'll be at Denver Public Library. LOL!
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 11:15 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Oy! If you need to find me, I'll be at Denver Public Library. LOL!
LOL! If I don't go to the library at least once a week, my hands start to shake. My name is captainaeon and I am a biblioholic...
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 11:37 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
LOL! If I don't go to the library at least once a week, my hands start to shake. My name is captainaeon and I am a biblioholic...
LOL!
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 02:00 PM
by: filbertsnout (12 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 30, 2006
Orson Scott Card explored the intersecting point between physics and metaphysics in the book 'Xenocide' (the title is brutal, the book is wonderful). I forget the details, but it proposes that instantaneous space travel (transporter type movement) is possible not through the use of machines but through the human will to make it so. This book is the 3rd in the Ender series. The first 3 books are some of my favorite sci fi.
Captain,SPeaking of Sci-Fi: Have you read the Gateway series? If not, run--don't walk to the nearest bookstore. This is the 1st sci fi novel to impagine a non-utopian future--very profound and very good and very fun.Also, has anyone seen The Prisoner? It should be next for the Joopers--Lost has been HEAVILY influenced by the series.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 02:14 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Afternoon, everyone. Just flying in and out - work was horrendous. I hope to be back a little later after I regroup.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 02:31 PM
by: Lightcan (73 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 04, 2006
Also, has anyone seen The Prisoner? It should be next for the Joopers--Lost has been HEAVILY influenced by the series.Yes, it's true that's what I heard. I have the box set at home. Happy to join in after you finish your Watchmen book club sessions if I have time.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 03:46 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Captain,SPeaking of Sci-Fi: Have you read the Gateway series? If not, run--don't walk to the nearest bookstore. This is the 1st sci fi novel to impagine a non-utopian future--very profound and very good and very fun.Also, has anyone seen The Prisoner? It should be next for the Joopers--Lost has been HEAVILY influenced by the series.
Don't know the Gateway series. Will have to add it to my list...I have the Prisoner on dvd. One of my favorites, loaded with Lost connections. I always encourage folks to give it a look.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 12 @ 09:44 PM
by: lucky4me8 (75 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Still no Watchman copy. I'm missing all the fun. Where is it???
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 10:10 AM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
:_ Still no Watchman copy. I'm missing all the fun. Where is it???
Track your package? Perhaps some evil supervillian intercepted it...
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 02:02 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Good afternoon, everybody. Is anyone going to watch tonight's LOST panel web telecast? Looks like it starts around 11:00 pm, Eastern. http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/01/evening-with-lost.html
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 03:29 PM
by: captainaeon (614 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Good afternoon, everybody. Is anyone going to watch tonight's LOST panel web telecast? Looks like it starts around 11:00 pm, Eastern. http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/01/evening-with-lost.html
It's happening in in North Hollywood--wonder if any of our southern Cal board peeps will be in attendance?Doubt I will watch it. I'm sure if anything important happens, I will hear about it.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 04:34 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
It's happening in in North Hollywood--wonder if any of our southern Cal board peeps will be in attendance?Doubt I will watch it. I'm sure if anything important happens, I will hear about it.
Hi Captain, I don't think I'll watch it either. The highlights will probably be on you-tube tomorrow.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 05:24 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Hi Joopers!Back from seeing Curse of the Golden Flower. If you ever thought you lived in a dysfunctional family....think again! What a film! Wow! I am still overwhelmed by the visual spectacle...and the irony of the golden flower! Chow Yun Fat is amazing, as is Gong Li.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 06:07 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hi Joopers!Back from seeing Curse of the Golden Flower. If you ever thought you lived in a dysfunctional family....think again! What a film! Wow! I am still overwhelmed by the visual spectacle...and the irony of the golden flower! Chow Yun Fat is amazing, as is Gong Li.
Zen!I didn't know Golden Armor was in wide release yet. I'll have to find a theater that's showing it in my area. But LOL at all those bare bosoms. I guess Zhang must really know the Western movie-going market.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 06:17 PM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
Zen!I didn't know Golden Armor was in wide release yet. I'll have to find a theater that's showing it in my area. But LOL at all those bare bosoms. I guess Zhang must really know the Western movie-going market.
I didn't think all the robes would be cut so revealing. LOL :PI chose to wear this to the Golden Globes (in MrCaptainSandwichSir's thread)http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809425422/photo/970417964
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 06:26 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I didn't think all the robes would be cut so revealing. LOL :PI chose to wear this to the Golden Globes (in MrCaptainSandwichSir's thread)http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809425422/photo/970417964
LOL, very appropriate outfit - golden and globes all in one dress. Well, almost in the dress.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 09:34 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
LOL, I missed the first 45 minutes of the LOST panel web telecast. But here's what I gleaned from the last half of the telecast.Sort of spoilerish, but in a very general sense.*Sawyer finds some Dharma beer in an upcoming episode. (When the audience laughed, they swore this wasn't a joke, but who knows?)*Desmond doesn't know more [about the island, etc.] than he's telling us. His character is being honest. *The daddy issues are part of the fabric of the show because they needed a way to make the characters complex; they reverse engineered from there. For example, Dr. Jack has all this great stuff going on, but in order to make the character interesting they scripted a dad that filled him with self doubt, etc. *Since the Others have contact with the outside world, why didn't they fly in a surgeon to do Ben's operation, or why didn't Ben leave the island and go to hospital? We will find out the answer to this in the next 6-7 episodes. There's a very specific reason. Done
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 10:20 PM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
george
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 13 @ 10:33 PM
by: LostDuckie7 (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
LOL, I missed the first 45 minutes of the LOST panel web telecast. But here's what I gleaned from the last half of the telecast.Sort of spoilerish, but in a very general sense.*Sawyer finds some Dharma beer in an upcoming episode. (When the audience laughed, they swore this wasn't a joke, but who knows?)*Desmond doesn't know more [about the island, etc.] than he's telling us. His character is being honest. *The daddy issues are part of the fabric of the show because they needed a way to make the characters complex; they reverse engineered from there. For example, Dr. Jack has all this great stuff going on, but in order to make the character interesting they scripted a dad that filled him with self doubt, etc. *Since the Others have contact with the outside world, why didn't they fly in a surgeon to do Ben's operation, or why didn't Ben leave the island and go to hospital? We will find out the answer to this in the next 6-7 episodes. There's a very specific reason. Done
I was just going to write a couple things I saw in it but you already posted them I see. Too bad I didn't this sooner and hadn't misplaced my ticket because I'm going to be around there tomorrow I wonder how they do distribute tickets for something like this. There was quite a big group of cast, writers, producers on stage with more in the audience. I didn't see this until about 8:00 so I didn't see the first half hour, maybe there'll be something more in there. I don't think they were kidding bout the beer, Damon seemed serious about that.I picked up The Watchmen last week and I'm Chapter 6 and so far I love it!
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 14 @ 04:34 AM
by: zenmaster5280 (420 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 23, 2005
LOL, very appropriate outfit - golden and globes all in one dress. Well, almost in the dress.
From Eleanor Ringel Gillespie, Atlanta Journal-Constitution's review: "...It's one delirious scene after another. And if, by his emphasis on the many rather than the few, the director seems to be squandering the considerable talents of his stars (especially Li, who's upstaged by her own cleavage), it's worth it. ..." LOL From Robert Denerstein, Rocky Mountain News"...This spectacularly decorated movie offers the enjoyment of watching Zhang chronicle the lives of one very nutty family. It also allows Zhang to load every inch of the screen with images so full that you half expect them to collapse under their own weight."Of course it was reviewed more than once as being more like Dynasty, than the Tang Dynasty.Again from the Rocky Mountain News review:"Zhang's depiction of the court's opulence is at once a joke and a critique. When the royal family lines up in its costumes for a chrysanthemum festival, it's difficult not to think Zhang is creating a sight gag. The characters fought to gain the trappings that threaten to turn them into stuffed specimens, each ready for display on China's historical mantel."It really was a beautiful film (image after spectacular image), and yet at the same time, such a very disturbing film (the actual story with its betrayals and twists).
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 14 @ 05:36 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
I was just going to write a couple things I saw in it but you already posted them I see. Too bad I didn't this sooner and hadn't misplaced my ticket because I'm going to be around there tomorrow I wonder how they do distribute tickets for something like this. There was quite a big group of cast, writers, producers on stage with more in the audience. I didn't see this until about 8:00 so I didn't see the first half hour, maybe there'll be something more in there. I don't think they were kidding bout the beer, Damon seemed serious about that.I picked up The Watchmen last week and I'm Chapter 6 and so far I love it!
Hi Lost Duckie, I'm really enjoying Watchmen, too. It's becoming more intense with each page. Wasn't that webcast great? I think almost all the cast was there. I wish I'd caught the whole thing, too. Dark UFO has posted some links to highlights gleaned from other viewers on other forums, along with a truckload of new spoilers. I'll post them all down below.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 14 @ 05:57 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
From Eleanor Ringel Gillespie, Atlanta Journal-Constitution's review: "...It's one delirious scene after another. And if, by his emphasis on the many rather than the few, the director seems to be squandering the considerable talents of his stars (especially Li, who's upstaged by her own cleavage), it's worth it. ..." LOL From Robert Denerstein, Rocky Mountain News"...This spectacularly decorated movie offers the enjoyment of watching Zhang chronicle the lives of one very nutty family. It also allows Zhang to load every inch of the screen with images so full that you half expect them to collapse under their own weight."Of course it was reviewed more than once as being more like Dynasty, than the Tang Dynasty.Again from the Rocky Mountain News review:"Zhang's depiction of the court's opulence is at once a joke and a critique. When the royal family lines up in its costumes for a chrysanthemum festival, it's difficult not to think Zhang is creating a sight gag. The characters fought to gain the trappings that threaten to turn them into stuffed specimens, each ready for display on China's historical mantel."It really was a beautiful film (image after spectacular image), and yet at the same time, such a very disturbing film (the actual story with its betrayals and twists).
Hi Zen, "Curse" has been generating a lot of buzz for about a year now in the Asian cinema community, and I can't wait to see it even though the reviews have been mixed here in the US. IMHO, no living director does spectacle and intrigue better than Zhang Yimou. Not to mention Chow Yun Fat and Gong Li are cinematic royalty. The superlatives are enough to make me overlook the film's displayed, ahem, historical inaccuracies, most prominent, ahem, among them Gong Li's Tang Dynasty bosoms trussed up ala France's Marie Antoinette. As for the negative reviews, I think this film only suffers when compared to Zhang's other recent films. One film critic put it thus: Such is the burden of genius; Zhang will forever be compared to himself.
Back to Top ^
Re: JOOP! is now Jupiter pt 13
reply
Posted: Jan 14 @ 06:13 AM
by: back_gammon (993 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Dark UFO has rounded up an astonishing collection of new and recent spoilers - and I do mean spoilers - including an entire (rumored) synopsis of "Not in Portland." The synopsis is down near the bottom of the page, so if you don't want to see it, stop scrolling when you see "Not in Portland - Episode Info" down near the bottom of the page. Serious spoilage ahead. Don't click if you don't want to know. http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/
Back to Top ^
Page(s) 14 << [ 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 ] >>
Edit Search Topic List
Rules • Help • Thought about the boards? Notify host.